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09-14-2021, 06:07 AM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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Its the Abraham VS Jonah mentality.
The first optimistically tries to stave off judgement by looking for the righteous....the second wishes to leverage the judgement of God against a city he hates by running from his obligation to preach repentence.
I wonder what the Churches "Great Fish" course correction is gonna look like.
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Covid looks like it might have been the "Great Fish". It was certainly a manifestation of Leviathan, if nothing else. And perhaps, something has stirred in enough hearts that the "Great Fish" that has swallowed up the church over this last year and a half has come up for air to spit her out upon the shore.
Time will tell.
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09-14-2021, 06:13 AM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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Its the Abraham VS Jonah mentality.
The first optimistically tries to stave off judgement by looking for the righteous....the second wishes to leverage the judgement of God against a city he hates by running from his obligation to preach repentence.
I wonder what the Churches "Great Fish" course correction is gonna look like.
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And note just what Abraham did:
He pleaded and made intercession with God to spare the righteous that they might be delivered from the judgment of God. As far as the Sodomites and those living in Gomorra were concerned, their world was going to end. And Abraham knew it.
But he did not rejoice or celebrate. He experienced no joy or glee. He did not stand back, or stay quiet and let things unfold apart from his ability to influence the LORD.
No, he stood in the way, between a condemned people and a holy God and he worked and worked and worked the situation and was able to convince God to come to an arrangement that at the least, saved some.
Imagine what the heirs of Abraham could be doing to follow in his footsteps, if only we'd get our heads out of the sand and quit waiting for some future, non-existent escape plan.
We might actually try to do something Christ-like to turn the world that is going to hell all around us, upside down. Or rather, right side up, as it were.
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09-14-2021, 06:52 AM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
And note just what Abraham did:
He pleaded and made intercession with God to spare the righteous that they might be delivered from the judgment of God. As far as the Sodomites and those living in Gomorra were concerned, their world was going to end. And Abraham knew it.
But he did not rejoice or celebrate. He experienced no joy or glee. He did not stand back, or stay quiet and let things unfold apart from his ability to influence the LORD.
No, he stood in the way, between a condemned people and a holy God and he worked and worked and worked the situation and was able to convince God to come to an arrangement that at the least, saved some.
Imagine what the heirs of Abraham could be doing to follow in his footsteps, if only we'd get our heads out of the sand and quit waiting for some future, non-existent escape plan.
We might actually try to do something Christ-like to turn the world that is going to hell all around us, upside down. Or rather, right side up, as it were.
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Amen.
God WILL have a church. Even if He has to bring calamity to move them from their place of ease to set the world on fire for Him once more.
Its not just about the preservation of the church that is...but its about the reconciliation and redemption of the church that is yet to be.
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09-14-2021, 04:37 PM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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Amen.
God WILL have a church. Even if He has to bring calamity to move them from their place of ease to set the world on fire for Him once more.
Its not just about the preservation of the church that is...but its about the reconciliation and redemption of the church that is yet to be.
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Remember what YHVH did at Shiloh?
The Tabernacle of David that was fallen, was raised on Pentecost, circa 33 AD. We either abide in that Tabernacle which was raised, or we don't.
We can make use of words and terms from the Bible all we want, and think they describe us, but the Lord discerns between those who are truly His, and those who merely hold to a pretense.
Let the brethren be warned. Judgment begins at the house of God.
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09-14-2021, 04:50 PM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
Remember what YHVH did at Shiloh?
The Tabernacle of David that was fallen, was raised on Pentecost, circa 33 AD. We either abide in that Tabernacle which was raised, or we don't.
We can make use of words and terms from the Bible all we want, and think they describe us, but the Lord discerns between those who are truly His, and those who merely hold to a pretense.
Let the brethren be warned. Judgment begins at the house of God.
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Redemption, restoration and reconciliation begins at the back of the line....judgement begins at the front....
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09-14-2021, 04:53 PM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
Acts 17:6 (NASB),
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6 When they did not find them, they began dragging Jason and some brothers before the city authorities, shouting, “These men who have upset [a]the world have come here also;
a. Lit the inhabited earth
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The authorities were persecuting the Christian believers, particularly the leaders, falsely accusing them of upsetting the whole inhabited earth.
They "othered" the Christians in order to minimize and marginalize them, so that they might otherwise alleviate their individual consciences and the consciences of those in the society around them when they blamed them for things for which they were not guilty, and punished them unjustly for the same.
There is nothing new under the sun.
Did this stop the believers of that time and era?
Did they hunker down, hide, go underground, bite their nails and quietly quake in their fears?
Well, if they had, there would be no such things as Christianity today.
Do you want there to be Christians in the future generations to come?
Then man-up like they did, take it on the chin, and keep pressing on. Steel yourselves for the suffering you will most certainly endure. Endure hardness as good soldiers of Jesus Christ.
You can change your world. You can first, save your family from this perverse generation, then your neighbors, then your community, then the world.
It starts with one. It starts with YOU.
Upset the world, dear brothers and sisters. The whole inhabited earth is depending on it.
Tikkun Olam 2021.
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09-14-2021, 05:03 PM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
Acts 17:6 (NASB),
The authorities were persecuting the Christian believers, particularly the leaders, falsely accusing them of upsetting the whole inhabited earth.
They "othered" the Christians in order to minimize and marginalize them, so that they might otherwise alleviate their individual consciences and the consciences of those in the society around them when they blamed them for things for which they were not guilty, and punished them unjustly for the same.
There is nothing new under the sun.
Did this stop the believers of that time and era?
Did they hunker down, hide, go underground, bite their nails and quietly quake in their fears?
Well, if they had, there would be no such things as Christianity today.
Do you want there to be Christians in the future generations to come?
Then man-up like they did, take it on the chin, and keep pressing on. Steel yourselves for the suffering you will most certainly endure. Endure hardness as good soldiers of Jesus Christ.
You can change your world. You can first, save your family from this perverse generation, then your neighbors, then your community, then the world.
It starts with one. It starts with YOU.
Upset the world, dear brothers and sisters. The whole inhabited earth is depending on it.
Tikkun Olam 2021.
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Gonna set the world on fire...Jesus already handed us a box of matches on Pentecost to do it.
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Blessed are the merciful for they SHALL obtain mercy.
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09-14-2021, 05:21 PM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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redemption, restoration and reconciliation begins at the back of the line....judgement begins at the front....
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The last shall be first and the first shall be last.
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09-15-2021, 07:58 PM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
Psalm 2:8 (NASB),
Ask it of Me, and I will certainly give the nations as Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth as Your possession.
Revelation 11:15 (NASB),
...“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”
Romans 8:16-17 (NASB),
16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
1 Corinthians 3:21-23 (NASB),
...all things belong to you, 22 whether...the world or life or death, or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
This world and all of its nations and kingdoms, of any ethnic heritage, of whatever political persuasion, bows before Christ Jesus. He rules over all. And if you are in Christ, are a child of the Living God, then you are a co-heir with the Lord Jesus, and all that is His, is yours.
You may claim this world is not your home, but that is an error. This world is not only your home, it is your inheritance, by DIVINE RIGHT.
And it's time to put this house in order, brothers and sisters.
Tikkun Olam 2021
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09-15-2021, 10:11 PM
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Re: If You Are A Disciple
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
Psalm 2:8 (NASB),
Ask it of Me, and I will certainly give the nations as Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth as Your possession.
Revelation 11:15 (NASB),
...“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”
Romans 8:16-17 (NASB),
16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
1 Corinthians 3:21-23 (NASB),
...all things belong to you, 22 whether...the world or life or death, or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
This world and all of its nations and kingdoms, of any ethnic heritage, of whatever political persuasion, bows before Christ Jesus. He rules over all. And if you are in Christ, are a child of the Living God, then you are a co-heir with the Lord Jesus, and all that is His, is yours.
You may claim this world is not your home, but that is an error. This world is not only your home, it is your inheritance, by DIVINE RIGHT.
And it's time to put this house in order, brothers and sisters.
Tikkun Olam 2021
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Wait whaaaaat?????? 😯
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