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06-06-2020, 06:06 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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06-06-2020, 07:42 PM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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Originally Posted by Esaias
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This is why they want the guns.
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06-06-2020, 08:41 PM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
It certainly appears that Mr. Floyd was murdered. Very tragic. Very despicable of the men involved. Each one of them will stand trial before a jury. Let’s pray that an unbiased and accurate verdict is given, so that justice may be served. Certainly justice is NOT being served by mobs, riots, further violent deaths and destruction.
I don’t know if this was a result of racism or not. To say one way or the other is an assumption. Everything I have seen so far certainly indicate police brutality. That being said, the office of LE should still be respected. I hate leftism...truly. God help that we would not assume a wrong position just to side on the opposite of the left.
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06-07-2020, 06:28 AM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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06-07-2020, 01:31 PM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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Originally Posted by consapente89
It certainly appears that Mr. Floyd was murdered. Very tragic. Very despicable of the men involved. Each one of them will stand trial before a jury. Let’s pray that an unbiased and accurate verdict is given, so that justice may be served. Certainly justice is NOT being served by mobs, riots, further violent deaths and destruction.
I don’t know if this was a result of racism or not. To say one way or the other is an assumption. Everything I have seen so far certainly indicate police brutality. That being said, the office of LE should still be respected. I hate leftism...truly. God help that we would not assume a wrong position just to side on the opposite of the left.
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And when it turns out that they followed standard procedure, what will you say of these "murderers" then?
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06-07-2020, 08:30 PM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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And when it turns out that they followed standard procedure, what will you say of these "murderers" then?
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If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong.
I guess we’ll see when the evidence is presented to a jury. I’m just saying that based on what has been presented this far, it appears to me to be murder.
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06-08-2020, 04:49 AM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong.
I guess we’ll see when the evidence is presented to a jury. I’m just saying that based on what has been presented this far, it appears to me to be murder.
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What it is, is poor training. This knee on neck tactic is in the Minneapolis police training manual and is used by police departments all over the country. Others stopped using it long ago. It is not used based on race. Thus, in the end, these men will be exonerated in that regard. But what they might get nailed for I waiting 3 minutes to administer CPR after finding no pulse.
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06-08-2020, 10:05 AM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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Originally Posted by consapente89
It certainly appears that Mr. Floyd was murdered. Very tragic. Very despicable of the men involved. Each one of them will stand trial before a jury. Let’s pray that an unbiased and accurate verdict is given, so that justice may be served. Certainly justice is NOT being served by mobs, riots, further violent deaths and destruction.
I don’t know if this was a result of racism or not. To say one way or the other is an assumption. Everything I have seen so far certainly indicate police brutality. That being said, the office of LE should still be respected. I hate leftism...truly. God help that we would not assume a wrong position just to side on the opposite of the left.
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I doubt they'll be found guilty. The MN AG overcharged them with 2nd-degree murder. 3rd-degree is a stretch, but 2nd-degree is even more.
The stage is set for more unrest and rioting after the officers walk.
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06-08-2020, 01:01 PM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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Originally Posted by Esaias
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Let's say a group of looter show up with one rock and unarmed, and you are present with an AR. You aim at them and they ignore you and they break a window with a rock, storm inside and start looting, without touching you.
Something similar to this actually happened, and the owner decided to leave with his gun, as the looter literally ignored the fact that he was there armed.
Can you shoot at them without being charge of murder?
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06-08-2020, 02:18 PM
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Re: The death of Mr Floyd
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Let's say a group of looter show up with one rock and unarmed, and you are present with an AR. You aim at them and they ignore you and they break a window with a rock, storm inside and start looting, without touching you.
Something similar to this actually happened, and the owner decided to leave with his gun, as the looter literally ignored the fact that he was there armed.
Can you shoot at them without being charge of murder?
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It depends on the state so you need to make sure you know the local law regarding the use of force.
There was a bar owner in the midwest who confronted some thugs vandalizing and breaking windows of his bar. The owner's father was with him and the father was shoved to the ground. The owner was carrying but didn't pull his weapon until he was tackled to the ground by a couple of the thugs. He fired blindly around his back, missing. Another guy then rushed him and started beating him up, the next shot killed him.
The county DA didn't file charges because it was self-defense. However, had the owner used his weapon to deter the thugs from vandalizing his business, he would have been charged.
I believe it's the same in most states. Force is acceptable when in self-defense, but not in defending property or business. There has to be fear of bodily harm.
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