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Originally Posted by TGBTG

The prophecies in the book of revelation does not revolve around america or modern day Europe...until people begin to see that, Obama or future democrat president or pope or middle eastern warlord, etc is the antichrist..

Been there, got the t-shirt..next!!

Right!

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Some think of everything in scripture to be ONLY what they would call "spiritual". It never manifests itself in actuality. While there is a "spiritual" reality there is also a literal reality.

Many spiritual things are physical, but you must also believe spiritual means non-physical.

For instance the Holy Ghost is a "seal" to the Christian to the day of redemption. We already have this seal. Nonetheless is the seal or "earnest" all there is to the kingdom of God? Of course not.

What is more about the seal of God that you consider to be a literal reality, and by that you must mean PHYSICAL reality?

Lets look at this mark of the beast from the Bible.


It looks like there are 2 beings addressed. The beast and false prophet. Actual events are ascribed to them. The beast dies or comes close to death and lives again. We find out later he rules over 10 kings.

The false prophet has amazing power to do miracles. Calls down fire from heaven. An image is made to the beast. The false prophet causes men to worship the beast and his image and to take the mark of the beast.

If it is true that the right hand and forehead really ONLY means disobedience to God why does God put these things in context of a future time? All sinners would have been said to have the mark of the beast! All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. All have transgressed the law of God.

And if the mark of the beast is ONLY disobedience to God apart from the context of Revelation NO SINNER COULD BE SAVED!

Those who take the mark of the beast are said to be doomed. If you have it you CANNOT be saved.

So if the mark of the beast merely symbolizes rebellion against God why would the false prophet have to CAUSE men to take it? They would ALREADY HAVE IT.

It seems obvious that the mark has to do with more than just Israel. Perhaps in hyperbole but nonetheless it is told us that all "kindreds, tongues, and nations" shall worship him.

So this mark IN CONTEXT has to do with all nations at the time just before the glorious coming of Jesus Christ where he will gather the nations to fight against him.

The mark did take a form. Caesar demanded worship of the COLOSSUS at the stadium entrance. ANd the AGORA required a paper for you to enter and buy and sell, showing allegiance to Caesar as GOD.

But there is so much to the pattern of Revelaiton and Exodus, and none of that is related in modern futurism. None of it.

What is the seal of God if more than the HOLY GHOST?

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My view of the entire book of Revelation chapter by chapter in playlist on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...dLyKekP39fqllb

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by n david

Can’t buy or sell for refusing a vaccine, therefore the vaccine is the mark of the beast!??

Man, the way some people interpret the scripture... SMH

[Esaias]

Bill Gates Explains that the Covid Vaccine will Use Experimental Technology and Permanently Alter Your DNA
May 15, 2020

https://www.wakingtimes.com/2020/05/...lter-your-dna/

[Esaias]

FUTURISM: Made-for-TV prophecy hysterics.

Those who have bought into the lies of futurism have NO IDEA what's actually going on. Here's a clue:

Preacher: "The beast is gonna rise up, control everything, make everybody take the mark. And if you don't take the mark you're gonna be killed! You're gonna die! I'm not gonna take the mark! Hallelujah!"

Hello? Hello? Anybody home?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

From a different perspective...

The Land beast or false prophet causes people to take a mark of ownership and identification or allegience to the (1st? Or 2nd beast?) while constructing an image of the first beast, empowering it to operate as though alive.

The mark, being a counterfeit of God's mark, thus includes a counterfeit holy day calendar (including a counterfeit weekly holy day) and a counterfeit collection of divine law (canon law). What entity arose to control the oikomenos (the territory of Greco-Roman civilisation), introduced changes to the liturgical calendar, including introducing a new weekly holy day called Day of the Sun(god), replacing Biblical authority with ecclesiastical authority or Canon Law? Which built a copy or image of Imperial Rome and empowered it to cause everyone to submit to said mark? That is, to enforce compliance with the new counterfeit religion?
Whose God is born on Dec 25th, and is thus clearly the Sun God known as Baal? Who always was a counterfeit "Lord" and "God"? Who was the God of Egypt (Amon-Ra) which was called a sea dragon (Isaiah 27:1ff)?
Which persecuted the true saints of God throughout the oikomenos for over a millennia? Which established its authority over men in large measure through "miracles, signs, and wonders" including apparitions of Mary, weeping statues, and other miracles attributed to relics and remains of dead "saints"?

Futurism was invented by the Jesuits as part of the Counter Reformation, as a means of countering and redirecting the growing resistance to papal tyranny.

[Esaias]

From a different perspective...

The Land beast or false prophet causes people to take a mark of ownership and identification or allegience to the (1st? Or 2nd beast?) while constructing an image of the first beast, empowering it to operate as though alive.

The mark, being a counterfeit of God's mark, thus includes a counterfeit holy day calendar (including a counterfeit weekly holy day) and a counterfeit collection of divine law (canon law). What entity arose to control the oikomenos (the territory of Greco-Roman civilisation), introduced changes to the liturgical calendar, including introducing a new weekly holy day called Day of the Sun(god), replacing Biblical authority with ecclesiastical authority or Canon Law? Which built a copy or image of Imperial Rome and empowered it to cause everyone to submit to said mark? That is, to enforce compliance with the new counterfeit religion?
Whose God is born on Dec 25th, and is thus clearly the Sun God known as Baal? Who always was a counterfeit "Lord" and "God"? Who was the God of Egypt (Amon-Ra) which was called a sea dragon (Isaiah 27:1ff)?
Which persecuted the true saints of God throughout the oikomenos for over a millennia? Which established its authority over men in large measure through "miracles, signs, and wonders" including apparitions of Mary, weeping statues, and other miracles attributed to relics and remains of dead "saints"?

[Michael The Disciple]

What is more about the seal of God that you consider to be a literal reality, and by that you must mean PHYSICAL reality?

The Holy Ghost is an invisible seal that marks a believer UNITIL the day of redemption. There is a two fold manifestation of Gods work. The Spirit is the work of God here and now in the present.

Yet there is something even greater that the Spirit prepares one for. I do not call it "physical" but a better term for this discussion is ACTUAL.

The receiving of the Spirit makes a person spiritually minded and enables him to walk with God now. The greater aspect or the ACTUAL fulfillment of Gods work will come at the day of redemption. The day one actually (not just by faith) enters the kingdom of heaven.

2 Peter 1:10-11

10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

So the point is there is a FORETASTE of the kingdom by the Spirit now. There is a greater manifestation later as we in ACUALITY enter the heavenly kingdom.

The mark did take a form. Caesar demanded worship of the COLOSSUS at the stadium entrance. ANd the AGORA required a paper for you to enter and buy and sell, showing allegiance to Caesar as GOD.

So Caesar in your opinion fufills the role of Revelations beast? Who was his false prophet? What were his great miracles? How does buying and selling in Rome in century 1 fulfill Revelation 13 that all kindreds, tongues, and nations would worship the beast?

And most importantly if Caesar was the beast then you apparently must think Jesus came 2000 years ago and defeated him.

Rev. 19:19-20

19And I saw the beast, (NERO) and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20And the beast (NERO) was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

We what you call "futurists" kind of have a problem with this interpretation.

Nothing like this happened in the days of Nero. The real beast of Revelation 13 is defeated by Jesus and cast alive into the lake of fire. I dont think there are any historic witnesses of this taking place.

The kingdom of Rome went on existing and ruling the earth for hundreds of more years. So IMO partial preterism is not to be considered as a fulfillment of the beast, false prophet, and the mark of the beast.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

FUTURISM: Made-for-TV prophecy hysterics.

Those who have bought into the lies of futurism have NO IDEA what's actually going on. Here's a clue:

Preacher: "The beast is gonna rise up, control everything, make everybody take the mark. And if you don't take the mark you're gonna be killed! You're gonna die! I'm not gonna take the mark! Hallelujah!"

Hello? Hello? Anybody home?

You call lies what Jesus revealed. The "preacher" in your joke apparently is more truthful than the modern day scoffers. He would be commended by Jesus for his faithfulness.