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Old 04-29-2013, 10:14 AM
larrylyates larrylyates is offline
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Just Curious

I read this on another forum I am part of. I would be interested in reading your responses to it. What do you think of what they have to say? Valid? or No?

"THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT CONVICT BORN-AGAIN BELIEVERS OF THEIR SINS! This is a Lie of the devil! The Holy Spirit ALWAYS Glorifies Jesus Christ and HIS FINISHED WORK on the Cross. Jesus has already been punished for Every Man's Every Sin on the Cross! God does NOT punish sins twice! If you have given your life to Jesus Christ for Him to use for HIS PLAN for you, then YOU ARE COMPLETELY FORGIVEN OF ALL YOUR SINS; your past, your present, and your future sins, now and forevermore. “I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds, I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE. (Hebrews 8:12) Jesus does not want you asking for forgiveness for sins that He has already paid for and 'Remembers No More'. Jesus wants you to be constantly aware of His Free Gift of HIS Righteousness that He Died for You to Have. “If by one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man (Adam), MUCH MORE will those who RECEIVE THE ABUNDANCE OF GRACE AND THE FREE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS Reign in Life through the One Man Jesus Christ!” (Romans 5:17)

The Holy Spirit convicts Born-again Believers of their RIGHTEOUSNESS IN JESUS CHRIST, now and forevermore, because of what Jesus has done for us, and FINISHED, on the Cross! The Holy Spirit ALWAYS GLORIFIES JESUS AND HIS FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS. Convicting a Born-again Believer of sin that he is already forgiven of, sin that Jesus remembers no more, is NOT the Holy Spirit's New Ministry under the New Covenant of Grace! (John 16:7-11) The Holy Spirit does NOT CONVICT A PARDONED MAN! Born-again Believers, RECEIVE THIS GRACE. Receive Jesus Christ's UnEarned and UnDeserved Favor Toward YOU. You are the Righteousness of God In Christ! (2 Corinthians 5:21) Jesus has Taken Away ALL your sins and GIVEN you HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS! Jesus is Our Sacrifice. This is the Jesus Christ's NON-CONVICTING Good News, the Gospel of Grace! Hallelujah!"

Like I said, I am interested in your reactoin to the above. What role does conviction and repentance play in the life of a believer?
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:21 AM
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Re: Just Curious

Greasy grace...

Godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:16 PM
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Re: Just Curious

Sounds like something between new age and universal salvation without any judgment or accountability.

Defeats the entire purpose of the resurrection.

I understand that eternal torment for everyone who has not won the predestined lottery for the blessed alone has gone way to far............ it does not help to push the pendulum to the other extreme
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:19 PM
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Re: Just Curious

The author is equivocating the word "convict"
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:10 PM
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Re: Just Curious

The Holy Spirit is "God". Of course he convicts of sin. He is always opposing it.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:51 PM
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Re: Just Curious

The Bible says,
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
We must walk in the light, the light of the Holy Spirit. If we do this, God is patient, long suffering, gracious, and merciful to us... not imputing sin... willing to change us upon prayers of repentance and confession. However, if we walk away from the light of the Spirit and depart from the way of the cross... we will eventually come out from under the covering of the blood.

It isn't easy to lose your salvation. Christ died to be a sure foundation we can depend upon in our human weakness. Grace is there for the most terrible sin. God rejoices in forgiveness... forgiving sin and cleansing from sin brings God the highest glory.

In my opinion... the only "greasy grace" is that noting of grace in which you can easily slip through God's fingers.
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:28 PM
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Re: Just Curious

Bad theology in my opinion.
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:55 PM
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Re: Just Curious

I have always agreed with the above...and just recently have begun to...well, been convicted, actually, that possibly the common (OP) opinion here...is a product of the doctrine of Original Sin, like so much else we believe. You say bad theology, but I wonder. It reflects, basically, Christ's treatment of sinners while He was here physically (which btw He prolly is anyway-Melchezidek has most likely not left the building). Christ may have admonished, and even (indirectly) 'convicted,' but think about it--even the word 'convicted' is the verbiage of the Accuser. So I wonder.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:17 PM
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Re: Just Curious

Certainly a fine line....
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:58 PM
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Re: Just Curious

I too thought that the author was off base. I want to believe that they were sincere and simply trying to combat the sense of condemnation that many believers live under. I just think they went too far in the other direction.

Some people use the words "cheap grace." I personally don't like the term for grace cost Him everything. But it makes the point.
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