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07-27-2008, 10:55 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Oh come on. Every time someone brings up the faults of the trinitarians another person cries out "but you guys do it to." It gets old. Yeah, 'our' people are just as guilty, or more so. No one is disputing that.
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The Trinity and Oneness issue does not play into this - at least not to my knowledge. It seems to be a thing that the Pentecostal/Charismatics are plagued with. Financial scandal appears to be at epidemic levels among them, and it's quite disproportionate when comparing to the nonPentecostal religious community.
I think it's noteworthy that these same ministry types are also know to shun the accountability organizations (like http://www.ecfa.org/ ) that can help prevent and rectify the problems in question.
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07-27-2008, 11:07 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Curious as to why K Haney is lumped in with tv preachers...
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Just wondering how a large organization like the UPC compares to radio ministries like Focus on the Family and to TV ministries like some of those I've listed.
Do we have any idea what kind of compensation those guys receive?
If they are non-profit, shouldn't information like that be available to the public?
Shouldn't there be some type of "watch dog" organization(s) monitoring them?
Are they hiding something?
If salaries are hidden and they are not paying taxes, doesn't that put more of a burden on those of us who are paying taxes?
I pay taxes on Social Security and a pension. Should others get by without paying taxes on income? or should real income be disguised and hidden so taxes (if any) are lower?
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07-28-2008, 01:24 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
This is why I favor house churches and bi-vocational elders.
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07-28-2008, 01:28 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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This is why I favor house churches and bi-vocational elders.
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Both of these ideas are totoally unscriptural and spring from the mind of philosofizers wishing to imbibe on the solitary solitude of dispositional and panderamically sertalocadratious individuals!
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07-28-2008, 01:35 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Both of these ideas are totoally unscriptural and spring from the mind of philosofizers wishing to imbibe on the solitary solitude of dispositional and panderamically sertalocadratious individuals!
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House churches are unscriptural? What Bible are you reading?
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07-28-2008, 01:38 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Both of these ideas are totally unscriptural and spring from the mind of philosophizers wishing to imbibe on the solitary solitude of dispositional and panderamically sertalocadratious individuals!
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Um. Can you translate, please?
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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07-28-2008, 01:44 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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House churches are unscriptural? What Bible are you reading?
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Currently I am not reading the bible however if you are wanting an explanation to my statement, I was not speaking in unilatteral terms but rather sociological and post modernistic ideaology. Within the foundation of scripture both the house and cathedral at large were used for worship however in our age the church in corporate form within a contextual conceptualization and authoritarian circumferance is the intended encapsulation for kairological outpourings in a chronistically saturated society.
That's all I was trying to say.
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07-28-2008, 01:52 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Currently I am not reading the bible however if you are wanting an explanation to my statement, I was not speaking in unilatteral terms but rather sociological and post modernistic ideaology. Within the foundation of scripture both the house and cathedral at large were used for worship however in our age the church in corporate form within a contextual conceptualization and authoritarian circumferance is the intended encapsulation for kairological outpourings in a chronistically saturated society.
That's all I was trying to say.
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The Raven, you said house churches are unscriptural. You're wrong on that. Save all the fancy wording for someone who's interested. Who cares if the predominant way we meet today is in church buildings? That in no way makes house churches unscriptural.
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07-28-2008, 01:54 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Originally Posted by Rico
The Raven, you said house churches are unscriptural. You're wrong on that. Save all the fancy wording for someone who's interested. Who cares if the predominant way we meet today is in church buildings? That in no way makes house churches unscriptural.
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You are correct in that I said what you said I said BUT I did not mean what I said in the way that you interpreted what I said as being what I meant by what I said.
What I meant by what I said is given in the post that does not matter to you. I now believe it is scriptural just not in the exact essence of the meaning in which you possibly feel.
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07-28-2008, 02:07 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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You are correct in that I said what you said I said BUT I did not mean what I said in the way that you interpreted what I said as being what I meant by what I said.
What I meant by what I said is given in the post that does not matter to you. I now believe it is scriptural just not in the exact essence of the meaning in which you possibly feel.
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If you are interested in what I believe I will tell you that I believe in a sort of hybrid arrangement. My family and another family have started having house meetings. So far we have only been able to meet once. Neither family has a traditional church it belongs to, in case you are wondering. At our meeting we talked about incorporating visits to traditional churches so we can enjoy some corporate praise and worship. Unfortunately, our second meeting was cancelled, and we haven't scheduled another one yet. I am very much waiting to see how our meetings develop and what God does with our efforts.
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