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Old 09-28-2011, 05:23 PM
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Re: Our Trinitarian Brothers and Sisters in Christ

This is a mental wrestling match...

The battle is over what people think in their minds not, what they believe in their hearts...

trinnie's believe there is one God manifested in three distinct ways. Father , Son and Holy Ghost.

This is the thing...though. nobody owns him..

He owns everything..

He defines himself in the bible....

and the odds are that no one will on his own believe the way Pentecostals do unless he is told...

Pentecostals do have the advantage though...and that is the Holy Ghost..
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:33 PM
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Matthew 28:19 is the commandment. Acts 2:38 is how the Apostles fulfilled that commandment.
This is exactly what we say when we baptize people, and we get criticized for it on here. Lol
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:36 PM
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This is exactly what we say when we baptize people, and we get criticized for it on here. Lol
You guys say "in the name Of Jesus" and the criticize you for it?
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True. By the way Jim Jones was a Trinitarian he belonged to the Disciples of Christ.
Maybe so, but he himself was baptized "in Jesus Name" I believe.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:29 PM
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You guys say "in the name Of Jesus" and the criticize you for it?
We quote Matt. 28:19 and then say, "as was fulfilled in the book of Acts, I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." We get the criticism for quoting Matt. 28:19 first.

HELLO?????? It's Bible.
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Re: Our Trinitarian Brothers and Sisters in Christ

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This is a mental wrestling match...

The battle is over what people think in their minds not, what they believe in their hearts...

trinnie's believe there is one God manifested in three distinct ways. Father , Son and Holy Ghost.

This is the thing...though. nobody owns him..

He owns everything..

He defines himself in the bible....

and the odds are that no one will on his own believe the way Pentecostals do unless he is told...

Pentecostals do have the advantage though...and that is the Holy Ghost..
Sorry but that is not what Trinitarians believe. They are not "ways", the are actualy persons according to the doctrine of the Trinity
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We quote Matt. 28:19 and then say, "as was fulfilled in the book of Acts, I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." We get the criticism for quoting Matt. 28:19 first.

HELLO?????? It's Bible.
I don't see a problem with that. Who criticizes you?
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I have heard my pastor say this and he pastors one of the largest churches in the US. He believes that being baptized in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is no different than the Acts 2:38 baptismal formula.

The question was asked in our membership class if they would allow people to be baptized in Jesus name and he stated that FS&HG is being baptized in Jesus name.
technically., it's not. They might believe it, but it's not

As has been said by Trinitarians "in the name of Jesus" refers to authority. Jesus is the name of the person where we get that authority.

It's like my first pastor used to say, if he signed his check "son", it would not get cashed even though he is a son. That's not the authority of the person.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:06 PM
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technically., it's not. They might believe it, but it's not

As has been said by Trinitarians "in the name of Jesus" refers to authority. Jesus is the name of the person where we get that authority.

It's like my first pastor used to say, if he signed his check "son", it would not get cashed even though he is a son. That's not the authority of the person.
But if the kings Father was still alive and signed it "son" it probably would be cashed. It is no different than a town crier shouting "in the name of the king!" without actually using his name.
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We quote Matt. 28:19 and then say, "as was fulfilled in the book of Acts, I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." We get the criticism for quoting Matt. 28:19 first.

HELLO?????? It's Bible.
I was always amazed at this being criticized. I simply say "in the name of Jesus Christ," but I see no error in your invocation. It's like the critics have lost the whole point of the name in baptism, and are getting too narrow minded by insisting on putting it in the face of trinitarians as much as they can, unreasonably so, by not saying the titles in any manner whatsoever. Baptism is more a chance to put it in the face of people rather than accomplish what baptism is for.
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