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Old 10-29-2007, 09:10 PM
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You know, I have to do the Phil Jones here and question you skewed view on this. You paint the Conservatives as folks that are just preaching about elbows and toes, and then show the mod/libs as being the "biblical" ones, and the ones that are "going and carrying out the Great Commission". I for one think that you underestimate the role that many conservative churches have played in carrying the gospel into all the world. You post is very "one sided", and is in no way balanced.

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You are correct and I addressed this point that BORED brought up. We were probably typing at the same time!

Bottom line is that I feel that I characterized the vast majority of the conservatives correctly but was entirely too optimisitc about my description of the UPCers left.
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Some of these men were planning on leaving anyways. Why should it be a reversal that heals? The men that left don't like those ones that voted this in. They don't want to stay in fellowship with them. They've already have been having their own camp meetings and such.
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Some of these men were planning on leaving anyways. Why should it be a reversal that heals? The men that left don't like those ones that voted this in. They don't want to stay in fellowship with them. They've already have been having their own camp meetings and such.
This view is not the same on a national basis Prax, but the wounds were felt around the world.
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:42 PM
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The United Pentecostal Church Needs a Healer


Shocked silence filled the conference when the announcement was made….

The resolution passed….

Those there, will never forget the sudden vacuum….

Time only will tell what really happened in that moment….

Some declare Ichabod…..

Others Revival….

I personally feel our movement was swept with a spirit of confusion….

We all have been confused since the vote….

We have all grieved….

However….

Such a decision will not be without consequence….

The consequence may well be more painful than any really understood….

Unity has been called for….

Global Impact desired….

But now division is greater than ever….

Now we hear of a great convocation in Tulsa…..

Great men from the east coast are leaving….

Great men from the west are leaving….

Great men from the south as well….

Great men from all over…..

Leaving……

Will the UPCI loose 100 ….500….1000….

Or more….

Now, many men who favored the resolution realize that those leaving had promised to do so before the vote….

The leavers are only keeping promises….

I have not heard from any who regret voting No…

I have heard from many who regret voting Yes…

“If we had only known”, one said an hour ago….

Brethren it appears there will be a major exodus…..

Sadly all will suffer…

I have come to a new conclusion today…

We need a healer…

Blessed are the peacemakers….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Brethren….

Some are saying the 2000 seat convention center in Tulsa will not be large enough…

What if such predictions are true and we see over 1000 UPCI credentialed men make some sort of commitment to leave….

The UPCI will suffer greatly….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

If indeed unity is a mandate….

Then should not unity come from World Evangelism Center….

Indeed the United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

General Superintendent Haney….

Lead the way to healing….

Go to Tulsa and tell the brethren you will lead the charge in reversing Tulsa’s decision….

Pastor Mangun….

Use your platform this year at Because of the Times to help heal the UPCI….

Without a healer….

We are divided and weakened….

Two organizations will never be united….

Rather both….

Untied….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Is there a voice….

Is there a man …..

Who can stand and serve as healer….

Somewhere within the UPCI is a man with a voice who is able to help bring healing….

Will the leadership come from WEC….

The General Superintendent….

The General Secretary….

Alexandria….

Indianapolis….

Home or Foreign Missions….

Indeed the UPCI must have a healer from within….

The healing will not come from those convening in Tulsa….

The course they choose was selected for them….

Brethren….

The United Pentecostal Church International Needs a Healer….


RKS

Not to be a smart alec, but do you actually believe that it was United before the vote, in reality is only will validate those who leave and those who stay.

Yes a healer is needed, we need more of Jesus and less of the stuff that gets in his way, false holiness and real worldliness, alot of blame on both sides.

I can't get in the UPC because the guy in my city wont let me, do you think that represents a healthy organization, this happened before the vote, guess what he will most likely leave, now I might if I so choose be able to get into a organization that I owe much to and owes much to me.
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Now that the vote is a fete cumpli and the org is about to split because a divisive spirit has dominated the hearts of many the right ... we ask for a healer? ..... The right was asking for a purging before that fateful Friday morning ...

God is healing by subtraction.
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:50 PM
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The United Pentecostal Church Needs a Healer


Shocked silence filled the conference when the announcement was made….

The resolution passed….

Those there, will never forget the sudden vacuum….

Time only will tell what really happened in that moment….

Some declare Ichabod…..

Others Revival….

I personally feel our movement was swept with a spirit of confusion….

We all have been confused since the vote….

We have all grieved….

However….

Such a decision will not be without consequence….

The consequence may well be more painful than any really understood….

Unity has been called for….

Global Impact desired….

But now division is greater than ever….

Now we hear of a great convocation in Tulsa…..

Great men from the east coast are leaving….

Great men from the west are leaving….

Great men from the south as well….

Great men from all over…..

Leaving……

Will the UPCI loose 100 ….500….1000….

Or more….

Now, many men who favored the resolution realize that those leaving had promised to do so before the vote….

The leavers are only keeping promises….

I have not heard from any who regret voting No…

I have heard from many who regret voting Yes…

“If we had only known”, one said an hour ago….

Brethren it appears there will be a major exodus…..

Sadly all will suffer…

I have come to a new conclusion today…

We need a healer…

Blessed are the peacemakers….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Brethren….

Some are saying the 2000 seat convention center in Tulsa will not be large enough…

What if such predictions are true and we see over 1000 UPCI credentialed men make some sort of commitment to leave….

The UPCI will suffer greatly….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

If indeed unity is a mandate….

Then should not unity come from World Evangelism Center….

Indeed the United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

General Superintendent Haney….

Lead the way to healing….

Go to Tulsa and tell the brethren you will lead the charge in reversing Tulsa’s decision….

Pastor Mangun….

Use your platform this year at Because of the Times to help heal the UPCI….

Without a healer….

We are divided and weakened….

Two organizations will never be united….

Rather both….

Untied….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Is there a voice….

Is there a man …..

Who can stand and serve as healer….

Somewhere within the UPCI is a man with a voice who is able to help bring healing….

Will the leadership come from WEC….

The General Superintendent….

The General Secretary….

Alexandria….

Indianapolis….

Home or Foreign Missions….

Indeed the UPCI must have a healer from within….

The healing will not come from those convening in Tulsa….

The course they choose was selected for them….

Brethren….

The United Pentecostal Church International Needs a Healer….


RKS
And all of this for what?......TV? .
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:52 PM
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It's about time for change and I say God bless it!
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:56 PM
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The United Pentecostal Church Needs a Healer

Shocked silence filled the conference when the announcement was made….

The resolution passed….

Those there, will never forget the sudden vacuum….

Time only will tell what really happened in that moment….

Some declare Ichabod…..

Others Revival….

I personally feel our movement was swept with a spirit of confusion….

We all have been confused since the vote….

We have all grieved….

However….

Such a decision will not be without consequence….

The consequence may well be more painful than any really understood….

Unity has been called for….

Global Impact desired….

But now division is greater than ever….

Now we hear of a great convocation in Tulsa…..

Great men from the east coast are leaving….

Great men from the west are leaving….

Great men from the south as well….

Great men from all over…..

Leaving……

Will the UPCI loose 100 ….500….1000….

Or more….

Now, many men who favored the resolution realize that those leaving had promised to do so before the vote….

The leavers are only keeping promises….

I have not heard from any who regret voting No…

I have heard from many who regret voting Yes…

“If we had only known”, one said an hour ago….

Brethren it appears there will be a major exodus…..

Sadly all will suffer…

I have come to a new conclusion today…

We need a healer…

Blessed are the peacemakers….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Brethren….

Some are saying the 2000 seat convention center in Tulsa will not be large enough…

What if such predictions are true and we see over 1000 UPCI credentialed men make some sort of commitment to leave….

The UPCI will suffer greatly….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

If indeed unity is a mandate….

Then should not unity come from World Evangelism Center….

Indeed the United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

General Superintendent Haney….

Lead the way to healing….

Go to Tulsa and tell the brethren you will lead the charge in reversing Tulsa’s decision….

Pastor Mangun….

Use your platform this year at Because of the Times to help heal the UPCI….

Without a healer….

We are divided and weakened….

Two organizations will never be united….

Rather both….

Untied….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Is there a voice….

Is there a man …..

Who can stand and serve as healer….

Somewhere within the UPCI is a man with a voice who is able to help bring healing….

Will the leadership come from WEC….

The General Superintendent….

The General Secretary….

Alexandria….

Indianapolis….

Home or Foreign Missions….

Indeed the UPCI must have a healer from within….

The healing will not come from those convening in Tulsa….

The course they choose was selected for them….

Brethren….

The United Pentecostal Church International Needs a Healer….


RKS
So we need to limit how people can spread the gospel in order to have healing and unity? I don't think so. I think that people need to stay in and allow their neighbor to do what they feel is the best way to spread the gospel and show the world that christians can stand in unity as brothers even when we don't agree every issue.
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Bro. Smith.......

I'm wondering. What do you think a man could do to bring about "healing" at this point. Hundreds have left in the past over resolutions that won a yes or no vote. The fracture was never repaired -- not even when apologies were issued by highly respected men and leaders.

So, I'm wondering ....... what do you think could be said or done to repair any fracture damage done as a result of the implementation of Res. 4?
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Hmm, Bro Smith thinks the only way healing can come is to capitulate to those who are leaving. Somehow that seems wrong to me.

Why not stay and work things out?
We have always "capitulated" to that crowd. This is the first time that the movement has ever stood up to them. They have so completely changed the face of Pentecost over the last 62 years that most people don't even recognize what the Fundamental Doctrine was formulated for.

Now, we're told that some of them were on the way out all along. They have impugned their brethren here with slander ("cleavage and 'unmentionables' on the platform...") Why have we gone to such great lengths to placate a crowd that never accepted us as brethren and never supported our efforts and has gone to such great lengths to malign us?

It may be that they "went out from us" but "they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out." 1 John 1:29

I don't know RKS, and I don't know if what his heart cries for isn't already being supplied, but just silently and in a low key fashion. Those that "won" in Tampa aren't the type to do a little dance when they know that their victory came at the cost of the feelings of men that they counted as brethren. That's why they have been low key in the things they say and have done so far.

If you want to hear from "WEC, Indianapolis or Alexandria" you may need to give them a call. They don't appear to be doing any more politicing now than they did before the vote. They seem to fear going back on their oaths not to "cause division" in the body. Meanwhile others are using the mailing list to do just the opposite.

And notice the little dance the "Tulsa guys" do whenever the get on here and bring it up. It's evident where the division and the wounds have come from over the last 60+ years.

As far as where the healing comes from, that's all of us. Stand tall and do your forebears and the Lord Himself proud. Don't dance over those who may depart, but work to bring new ones in - then rejoice!
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