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07-14-2014, 09:28 PM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
Steve Pixler is an interesting person.
For a while he was accused of being a preterist because he held, by his own admission, to a post trib historist stand. The group he was raised in all believed that way.
He wrote a chapter in the book, "Our future hope" that tried to defend that stand and made his statement against the charges that he was one of those accursed preeeeeterists!
But since that time he has continued to study the Book and has made some very controversial statements regarding facial hair that has set his former circle of Ultracons in a tizzy. They are almost beside themselves to sacrifice him upon the altar of self-justification.
Time will tell where he goes from here but I like the statement about following God and not worrying about his daddy's legacy. That must have really upset the "Group" as that is a big big deal with them, ie Westburg and Bean and others. They are more worried at times about their own legacy than the legacy of Christ.
What happened to "I must decrease that He may increase"?
Ought to be interesting!
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07-14-2014, 09:38 PM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
I'm praying, because my real fear is that Steve will wind up like two other Ft Worth pastors, one UPC and the other AMF and make a complete ship wreck.
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07-14-2014, 10:08 PM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
When females wear jeans, I can't call it modest. They are form fitting. I know good Christian women, some who I believe to have even been filled with the Holy Ghost, who wear jeans and most jeans for females are form-fitting.
I haven't lusted off of them, but you would have to redefine "modesty" to defend jeans-- and once pants are acceptable, jeans will be too, in very short time.
When people say it is a slippery slope, it really is.
I don't have the answer. I know legalism doesn't save and neither does it keep anyone saved. I know jeans for females MOST of the time can't really by called modest.
People really need the Holy Ghost for themselves.
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I wish I'd been wearing jeans yesterday when I walked outside to go to church. I'd have much rather been wearing jeans that didn't show my underwear, rather than the well past my knees dress that happened to get stuck in my underwear. Some people got a show when I walked out to my car from my house and I was mortified.
I'd wear slacks to church if it wouldn't make people stare at me more than they already do because of my short hair. Which is short not just because I want it that way, but because I had to do something *drastic* to kill an infected open wound/rash that had taken up residence on the back of my neck and was not going away after a couple of years of prescription drugs. And cutting off my hair was what it took. And it's going to stay that way. I'd tell that to Lee Stoneking's face, that my health is far more important than the length of my hair.
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07-14-2014, 10:32 PM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am always a bit leery when a preacher makes a huge swing in a short period of time. I hope it is for all of the right reasons. Time will tell and I certainly will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes it is not as "sudden" a swing as it appears because a preacher has been coming to a new understanding himself over years but has been afraid to show it. The danger in these cases is if he tries to take a church very quickly through something that took him a long time.
The psychological conditioning that goes with legalistic clothesline preaching can't be undone in a short series of sermons. It is a very long road.
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That is so very true.
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07-14-2014, 10:35 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am always a bit leery when a preacher makes a huge swing in a short period of time. I hope it is for all of the right reasons. Time will tell and I certainly will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes it is not as "sudden" a swing as it appears because a preacher has been coming to a new understanding himself over years but has been afraid to show it. The danger in these cases is if he tries to take a church very quickly through something that took him a long time.
The psychological conditioning that goes with legalistic clothesline preaching can't be undone in a short series of sermons. It is a very long road.
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I don't believe it was all of a sudden
For a few years SP seems to have been progressive. Im really not surprised at all
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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07-14-2014, 10:49 PM
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Where does the Word of God say you can do any of those things?
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Seriously, you need permission from the Word of God to grow a beard?
Well let's start with Jesus and go from there.
I also doubt Peter, Andrew, James and John wore long sleeves on the Sea of Galilee.
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07-14-2014, 10:51 PM
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Where does the Word of God say YOU CAN DO any of those things?
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Your question betrays your lack of scriptural support for your traditions.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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07-14-2014, 11:04 PM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Seriously, you need permission from the Word of God to grow a beard?
Well let's start with Jesus and go from there.
I also doubt Peter, Andrew, James and John wore long sleeves on the Sea of Galilee.
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Next you will be suggesting Jesus and the Apostles didn't wear suits with ties and that they didn't meet Sunday mornings and Sunday night!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-14-2014, 11:09 PM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Next you will be suggesting Jesus and the Apostles didn't wear suits with ties and that they didn't meet Sunday mornings and Sunday night!
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What?
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07-14-2014, 11:15 PM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Next you will be suggesting Jesus and the Apostles didn't wear suits with ties and that they didn't meet Sunday mornings and Sunday night!
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What????  Surely you jest....and I'll bet the next thing you're gonna to try to tell us is that Jesus & the Apostles didn't use the KJV either........reprobate......lol
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