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Old 04-07-2015, 04:36 AM
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Better than the nothing it used to be.
True.
Also, many districts also have local youth outreaches occurring throughout the year.
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Old 04-09-2015, 06:35 PM
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Sorry. I would have assumed that 20,000 Holy Ghost filled believers meeting in one place would completely set the area on fire....I guess I'm wrong.
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Sorry. I would have assumed that 20,000 Holy Ghost filled believers meeting in one place would completely set the area on fire....I guess I'm wrong.
I get the feeling that nothing would ever make you happy about it.
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Because we should always tear down instead of build up. What? a service project... why can't 20,000 plus people all attend... I can agree we should hope more people show up but that doesn't detract from the service project itself.

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Sorry. I would have assumed that 20,000 Holy Ghost filled believers meeting in one place would completely set the area on fire....I guess I'm wrong.
By the way if your assumption above were true then every year for many decades a lot of places would have been completely set on fire since GC used to draw around that many people.


Carrying out the great commission is not handing out some kind of magic potion that is going to spread just by proximity. Or thousands of people having a street service or handing out tracts in one evening. It is a sustained effort primarily consisting of us living our lives in a manner that people see Christ in us and we share, one on one, our faith over time.

I am not saying there is not a place for a large outreach event during a meeting like the Youth Congress but I do think it is unrealistic to think there is going to be some sort of massive instant conversion in the community. I do know some Pentecostal folks who sincerely believe that if a community sees a few thousand women with long uncut hair piled on top of their head wearing dresses, high heels and no makeup they will see God in that and have a burning desire for whatever those people have. Much like the desire I have to own a horse when I see an Amish family in their horse drawn carriage going down the road I guess.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Haha. If I said the same thing about the Baptist church or non denominational church you all would be in full support. The first step in correcting something is to admit that something is wrong. "We" don't do that too well around the UPCI.
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Haha. If I said the same thing about the Baptist church or non denominational church you all would be in full support. The first step in correcting something is to admit that something is wrong. "We" don't do that too well around the UPCI.
Honestly I think outreach is one of those "too much of a good thing can be bad" things. A lot of people feel like you're trying to shove religion down their throats. Not that I don't like outreach. I just feel like people get annoyed to easily. But I totally agree with you. We're too hesitant to mention the elephant in the room when it's us who put it there.
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You are right. Outreach done correctly is as simple as paying for someone's meal...buying a pair of shoes for someone, even something as helping someone unload groceries. When we go door knocking, that can often be perceived as shoving something down their throat. Try mowing their lawn and they will be asking you why you did it....perfect opportunity to witness.
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You are right. Outreach done correctly is as simple as paying for someone's meal...buying a pair of shoes for someone, even something as helping someone unload groceries. When we go door knocking, that can often be perceived as shoving something down their throat. Try mowing their lawn and they will be asking you why you did it....perfect opportunity to witness.
Now why in the world didn't Jesus, the apostles, and the prophets figure that out? Man we'd smart!
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This attitude is taken directly from Jesus and the apostles.
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