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Old 06-08-2013, 02:44 PM
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Why Do Muslims Accept The Testimony of One Man?

The christian bible has at least 40 authors between the old and new testaments. all witnessing to a congruent set of beliefs and attesting to the same truth. Why would muslims accept the testimony of one man? what if he is wrong? what other authors witness to Muhammad's version of the truth?
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:37 PM
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The christian bible has at least 40 authors between the old and new testaments. all witnessing to a congruent set of beliefs and attesting to the same truth. Why would muslims accept the testimony of one man? what if he is wrong? what other authors witness to Muhammad's version of the truth?

I'm not sure there are any.

Who said faith (regardless of its lack of truth) needed to be validated by outside sources?

If the sacred is completely validated by the secular, where would there be room for faith?
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:55 PM
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I'm not sure there are any.

Who said faith (regardless of its lack of truth) needed to be validated by outside sources?

If the sacred is completely validated by the secular, where would there be room for faith?
i am not referring to secular sources. i am saying that at least 40 biblical authors are attesting to a congruent set of beliefs. the koran was written by one man. why would anyone accept the testimony of one man?
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:26 PM
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Re: Why Do Muslims Accept The Testimony of One Man

Well, the same is true for the SDA, JW, mormons etc who hold on to a past prophet teaching.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:23 AM
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Re: Why Do Muslims Accept The Testimony of One Man

Thus, the inherent danger in following a man over the revealed Word of God. Ever "Movement" built on a man/woman as their "prophet," has always fallen into gross error. Some have become lethal.
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The christian bible has at least 40 authors between the old and new testaments. all witnessing to a congruent set of beliefs and attesting to the same truth. Why would muslims accept the testimony of one man? what if he is wrong? what other authors witness to Muhammad's version of the truth?
"The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285)

One man? Hardly. All Prophets teach the same message.

Faith
Obedience
Prayer
Fasting
Charity

Messengers are identified in the Quran who were not spoken of in the bible yet they conveyed the same message to those they were assigned to teaching.

It is a challenge to you to quote from your bible or name one who did not teach these things.

•Adam
•Enoch
•Noah
•Hud
•Saleh
•Abraham
•Ishmael
•Isaac
•Lot
•Jacob
•Joseph
•Shu'aib
•Job
•Moses
•Aaron
•Ezekiel
•David
•Solomon
•Elias
•Elisha
•Jonah
•Zechariah
•John
•Jesus
•Muhammad

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The christian bible has at least 40 authors between the old and new testaments. all witnessing to a congruent set of beliefs and attesting to the same truth. . . .
Congruence is in the eye of the beholder.
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"The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285)

One man? Hardly. All Prophets teach the same message.

Faith
Obedience
Prayer
Fasting
Charity

Messengers are identified in the Quran who were not spoken of in the bible yet they conveyed the same message to those they were assigned to teaching.

It is a challenge to you to quote from your bible or name one who did not teach these things.

•Adam
•Enoch
•Noah
•Hud
•Saleh
•Abraham
•Ishmael
•Isaac
•Lot
•Jacob
•Joseph
•Shu'aib
•Job
•Moses
•Aaron
•Ezekiel
•David
•Solomon
•Elias
•Elisha
•Jonah
•Zechariah
•John
•Jesus
•Muhammad
isaiah 53 and the letters of paul teach about the atoning death of jesus christ. the only sacrifice that can take away sin. that is the crucial doctrine of the bible and there are many allusions and prophecies by many authors. muhammad is one author and as far as i know doesn't make reference to this teaching except to say jesus didn't die on the cross. from the bible's view he is therefore a false prophet. if all muhammad witnessed to was faith, obedience, fasting, prayer and charity, why do we need him or the koran? the bible teaches all of those things. what is so special about the koran?
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Re: Why Do Muslims Accept The Testimony of One Man

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"The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285)

One man? Hardly. All Prophets teach the same message.

Faith
Obedience
Prayer
Fasting
Charity

Messengers are identified in the Quran who were not spoken of in the bible yet they conveyed the same message to those they were assigned to teaching.

It is a challenge to you to quote from your bible or name one who did not teach these things.

•Adam
•Enoch
•Noah
•Hud
•Saleh
•Abraham
•Ishmael
•Isaac
•Lot
•Jacob
•Joseph
•Shu'aib
•Job
•Moses
•Aaron
•Ezekiel
•David
•Solomon
•Elias
•Elisha
•Jonah
•Zechariah
•John
•Jesus
•Muhammad
Tis still the testimony of one man. Not one of the "prophets" on this list supported or prophesied of Islam in any way shape or form. Furthermore you don't even know what Adam "taught", Ishmael "taught" Lot "taught" etc. All of the true prophets on the lists (David, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah) testified to the coming of a JEWISH MESSIAH, who would indeed be the KING and rule over all creation. He would be the Savior of all pepole, the Judge of the earth, and the true sacrifice for sin. They testified of a new coveneant. Their prophecies contradict Islam.

Islam attempts on the surface to support itself by acknowledging the prophets, even a token acknowledgment of Jesus, but in reality discards all the teachings of thes prophets, and is simply name dropping in attempt to give legitimacy to an otherwise illegitimate religion.

It is still the testimony of one man, and a man of questionable moral character at that.
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isaiah 53 and the letters of paul teach about the atoning death of jesus christ. the only sacrifice that can take away sin. that is the crucial doctrine of the bible and there are many allusions and prophecies by many authors. muhammad is one author and as far as i know doesn't make reference to this teaching except to say jesus didn't die on the cross. from the bible's view he is therefore a false prophet. if all muhammad witnessed to was faith, obedience, fasting, prayer and charity, why do we need him or the koran? the bible teaches all of those things. what is so special about the koran?
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