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Old 04-14-2021, 11:50 AM
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God Opened My Eyes

I really didn't know where to put this but here seemed like a good place.

I was apart of an Apostolic church for 25 years. Though that time I was faithful and followed all I was taught, desiring the sincere milk of the Word and growing in the faith.

After 25 years, I left. God opened my eyes.

I never really READ the bible. I was just confirming what was being said by my pastor and agreeing with it. In my 20th year God put me in a position where I was pretty much forced to READ the bible and when I started reading it, I started to realize that a lot of what I was told was just some man's opinion that you had to respect as a man of God to believe. I started doing my own biblical due diligence and I noticed that the church I was apart of wasn't the church in the bible. Sure we believed in the baptism and the Holy Ghost but that was it. It was more of a cult then anything else. The church I was in was using the apostolic doctrine to control people and that is NOT how it is in the bible. We say we believed in the Holy Ghost but we refused to let it work. That wasn't the only thing. There were a lot of things I realized after READING the bible that I was being essentially lied to about. Tithes Paying and Faith Healing being a couple of them. I'm not here to debate anyone, I'm just here to tell my testimony how God opened my eyes.

If you believe Jesus came here to be an example for us until his return then the Apostolic churches I know of are cults. Jesus let the Word do the job.

It's sad because the people in these churches mean right. They want to see Jesus in peace. But these "pastors" are so caught up with pride and have control issues that it is destroying people souls.

I couldn't waste my time anymore. God is too good.

I'm going to end here but if anyone has any questions for me feel free to ask. I still love Good and pray that one day we will all be on one accord, in one place.

Until then.... Keep me prayer.
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Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism

1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

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Old 04-15-2021, 06:54 PM
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Re: God Opened My Eyes

Are you going to any kind of church?
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Old 04-16-2021, 08:36 AM
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Re: God Opened My Eyes

No.

I'm waiting on God to direct my path.

I'm going to tell you due to my experience in my old church I'm very careful about going to any church again. I visited a church awhile back and because I what I know is right I'm picking over everything with a fine tooth comb. I'm not going to make excuses for a church just so I feel comfortable there. I'm not trying to waste my time.
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Philippians 2:12 - ...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism

1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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Old 04-16-2021, 09:07 AM
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Re: God Opened My Eyes

Even though there are few things that are questionable in Apostolic Church, I'm afraid you are jumping to conclusions too quickly, with too little.

If you tell me that for a good amount of time, probably years, you have read the Bible entirely few times, and you studied the correct principles of Biblical interpretations, and you learned to do it correctly. Then, I would say you got something.

Then, you would have come to the conclusion that of all the denominational churches out there, the Apostolic Pentecostal is the closest thing you are going to find.


If you think preparation and study, and probably for years, in addition to having the right attitude of seeking God, is not necessary, look at this warnings from the Scriptures:

[2Pe 3:15-16 NKJV] 15 ... as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable [people] twist to their own destruction, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures.

[1Ti 1:6-7 NKJV] 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

Also, the apostles were trained by Jesus for three years before being sent. They were regular people, fishermen, tax collectors, etc... but Jesus didn't leave them uneducated regarding the Scriptures, e.g. look at Peter's sermons, look at Matthew's Gospel (yeah, the tax collector).

Esphes45, I encourage you slow down. Yes, you are right that there are some things that are questionable. But take your time, give room to the possibility that you are wrong in many other of your conclusions. You are just starting the journey of searching the Scriptures daily [to find out] whether these things were so (Act 17:11-12).
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Old 04-16-2021, 09:17 AM
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Wow. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't even know me and you are jumping to conclusions.

The bible says "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.."

If anyone studies the bible they should come to a very basic conclusion. God didn't mean for the road to heaven to be difficult or confusing for those who diligently seek him.

See here is water...

I'm not training to be an apostle, I just want to see God in peace.

I agree Apostolic Pentecostal might be the closest thing but it makes things way too complex. This is because of these control hungary, pride filled pastors.


Thanks for the encouragement!

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Old 04-18-2021, 05:40 PM
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Even though there are few things that are questionable in Apostolic Church, I'm afraid you are jumping to conclusions too quickly, with too little.

If you tell me that for a good amount of time, probably years, you have read the Bible entirely few times, and you studied the correct principles of Biblical interpretations, and you learned to do it correctly. Then, I would say you got something.

Then, you would have come to the conclusion that of all the denominational churches out there, the Apostolic Pentecostal is the closest thing you are going to find.


If you think preparation and study, and probably for years, in addition to having the right attitude of seeking God, is not necessary, look at this warnings from the Scriptures:

[2Pe 3:15-16 NKJV] 15 ... as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable [people] twist to their own destruction, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures.

[1Ti 1:6-7 NKJV] 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

Also, the apostles were trained by Jesus for three years before being sent. They were regular people, fishermen, tax collectors, etc... but Jesus didn't leave them uneducated regarding the Scriptures, e.g. look at Peter's sermons, look at Matthew's Gospel (yeah, the tax collector).

Esphes45, I encourage you slow down. Yes, you are right that there are some things that are questionable. But take your time, give room to the possibility that you are wrong in many other of your conclusions. You are just starting the journey of searching the Scriptures daily [to find out] whether these things were so (Act 17:11-12).
I have heard several Apostolic preachers whose preaching proved to me they knew nothing about hermeneutics.
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Old 04-18-2021, 08:29 PM
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I have heard several Apostolic preachers whose preaching proved to me they knew nothing about hermeneutics.
And I 100% agree, and it is unfortunate. I surprises me how weak Hermeneutics is in the Licenses. There is only one class about it , and it is very brief and shallow.
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Old 04-19-2021, 12:18 AM
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I really didn't know where to put this but here seemed like a good place.

I was apart of an Apostolic church for 25 years. Though that time I was faithful and followed all I was taught, desiring the sincere milk of the Word and growing in the faith.

After 25 years, I left. God opened my eyes.

I never really READ the bible. I was just confirming what was being said by my pastor and agreeing with it. In my 20th year God put me in a position where I was pretty much forced to READ the bible and when I started reading it, I started to realize that a lot of what I was told was just some man's opinion that you had to respect as a man of God to believe. I started doing my own biblical due diligence and I noticed that the church I was apart of wasn't the church in the bible. Sure we believed in the baptism and the Holy Ghost but that was it. It was more of a cult then anything else. The church I was in was using the apostolic doctrine to control people and that is NOT how it is in the bible. We say we believed in the Holy Ghost but we refused to let it work. That wasn't the only thing. There were a lot of things I realized after READING the bible that I was being essentially lied to about. Tithes Paying and Faith Healing being a couple of them. I'm not here to debate anyone, I'm just here to tell my testimony how God opened my eyes.

If you believe Jesus came here to be an example for us until his return then the Apostolic churches I know of are cults. Jesus let the Word do the job.

It's sad because the people in these churches mean right. They want to see Jesus in peace. But these "pastors" are so caught up with pride and have control issues that it is destroying people souls.

I couldn't waste my time anymore. God is too good.

I'm going to end here but if anyone has any questions for me feel free to ask. I still love Good and pray that one day we will all be on one accord, in one place.

Until then.... Keep me prayer.
It’s always funny how people like to bash something and then put “ I don’t want to debate “... it’s called passive aggressive. Next you will probably reply how “ I don’t even know you “. Hope you repent one day and make back to truth.
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Old 04-19-2021, 11:51 AM
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Wow. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't even know me and you are jumping to conclusions.

The bible says "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.."

If anyone studies the bible they should come to a very basic conclusion. God didn't mean for the road to heaven to be difficult or confusing for those who diligently seek him.

See here is water...

I'm not training to be an apostle, I just want to see God in peace.

I agree Apostolic Pentecostal might be the closest thing but it makes things way too complex. This is because of these control hungary, pride filled pastors.


Thanks for the encouragement!
I have to agree. I was an AG minister for 7 years and a UPCI minister from 1993-2016. While the worst cases of spiritual abuse I observed were in the AG, the UPCI seems to have a more frequent, ongoing problem with abuse in the majority of its churches. Pastors put pressure on themselves that God never intended and it all rolls downhill.
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Until then.... Keep me prayer.
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