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Old 09-08-2008, 09:35 AM
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Obama Is Going to Lose

McCain has stolen the "change" message from Obama-Biden. Obama has been around for over a year, he no longer is the fresh face in the race.

He loses on the energy independence issue, because he won't include in his plan for the short term drilling for domestic oil to bridge the gap between our dependence on oil to fuel our economy and alternative sources of energy.

He loses on taxes because he is proposing increased taxes versus making the Bush tax cuts permanent.

He loses on the experience issue because he has none.

He loses on abortion because he won't give a clear answer on when does life begin.

He loses on the War on Terror because he has finally admitted that the surge is working even after he has denied its success for a long time and even then says he would still have opposed the surge even with the knowledge that it would lead to success.

He loses having Jermiah Wright, William Ayers, Father Pfleger, Michelle's "first time to be proud of America" comments, his "bitter Americans clinging to their religion and guns" comment in front of a San Francisco crowd all on his record along with many other alarming statements and associations.

What can Obama do to turn the tide against him?

The only thing, in my opinion, he could do to reignite his campaign is to drop Biden from the ticket and picking up Hillary.

Don't be surprised in a desperate move if Obama calls on Hillary to save his candidacy.
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:36 AM
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Re: Obama Is Going to Lose

Can he actually do that since Biden has already been nominated and aboved by the party?
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:41 AM
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Obama's tax policy

-- A tax credit for 95% of American taxpayers. Obama proposes a $500 cut in the payroll tax for most workers (those making under $125,000 a year) via a credit that is applied toward income taxes based on payroll taxes paid. Thus, if you don’t pay federal income taxes, you wouldn’t get the tax cut. The tax credit would take effect immediately, in the form of a rebate, to stimulate the economy.

-- A massive tax increase for taxpayers earning more than $250,000 a year in the form of higher Social Security taxes, higher Federal tax rates, and higher taxes on dividends and long-term capital gains (from 15% to 28%). Steve Moore, editorial writer for the Wall Street Journal, estimates that all told wealthy individuals could pay a marginal tax rate of nearly 50%, compared to the current 34% rate.

The New York Times reported (August 8, 2008) that Obama’s tax increases will be “slightly higher” than they were under Clinton’s tax hike of 1993. Clinton got away with the tax increases, because they took place during the roaring economic boom of the 1990s, but Obama’s sock-the-rich scheme is likely to backfire in the face of a weak economy. Revenues are likely to decline rather than increase.
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Re: Obama Is Going to Lose

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Can he actually do that since Biden has already been nominated and aboved by the party?
Why not? Seems there have already been proof of lies about his ability to actually RUN for president. (according to the lawsuit)
I would say it wouldn't surprise me if they pull him as their candidate because of the lawsuit and put her in to replace him.
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Why not? Seems there have already been proof of lies about his ability to actually RUN for president. (according to the lawsuit)
I would say it wouldn't surprise me if they pull him as their candidate because of the lawsuit and put her in to replace him.
It's been done once before, but I doubt he will do it. He will, perhaps, place her in a governing role to placate the people.
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:52 AM
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Why not? Seems there have already been proof of lies about his ability to actually RUN for president. (according to the lawsuit)
I would say it wouldn't surprise me if they pull him as their candidate because of the lawsuit and put her in to replace him.
Because of what lawsuit?
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:55 AM
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dont get too excited yet. remember GWB has a very very very low approval rating.

regardless of any other fact or statistic, when the sitting president has a low approval rating, the presidency has ALWAYS been passed to the other party.

there is no reason for Obama to lose unless he provides one. As of yet, he has not provided a reason.
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Because of what lawsuit?
Regarding is he really a natural born US citizen. I bumped the thread.
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:05 AM
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dont get too excited yet. remember GWB has a very very very low approval rating.

regardless of any other fact or statistic, when the sitting president has a low approval rating, the presidency has ALWAYS been passed to the other party.

there is no reason for Obama to lose unless he provides one. As of yet, he has not provided a reason.
Yes but we are not talking about hundreds of years of approval rating polls. Approval rating polls have only been around since modern times. We are talking about 20 presidential elections going back to Hoover. I don't know when approval rating polls started, but statistically, ALWAYS, when talking about 20 of anything, isn't as certain as it sounds.

And if there has been an election that is unique in all of American history, it is this one. A lot of the conventional wisdom is off the table with an African American leading the ticket in one party and a woman on the ticker in another.

The GOP convention went a LONG way to distance McCain from Bush. Hurricane Gustav could not have come at a better time. It became a convenient excuse to not have Cheney speak or Bush present. I don't think Obama has been successful or will be at protraying McCain as the Third Incarnation of President Bush. McCain has opposed Bush and the GOP enough to make the argument that he is not cut from the same cloth.
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Yes but we are not talking about hundreds of years of approval rating polls. Approval rating polls have only been around since modern times. We are talking about 20 presidential elections going back to Hoover. I don't know when approval rating polls started, but statistically, ALWAYS, when talking about 20 of anything, isn't as certain as it sounds.

And if there has been an election that is unique in all of American history, it is this one. A lot of the conventional wisdom is off the table with an African American leading the ticket in one party and a woman on the ticker in another.

The GOP convention went a LONG way to distance McCain from Bush. Hurricane Gustav could not have come at a better time. It became a convenient excuse to not have Cheney speak or Bush present. I don't think Obama has been successful or will be at portraying McCain as the Third Incarnation of President Bush. McCain has opposed Bush and the GOP enough to make the argument that he is not cut from the same cloth.
Oh my gosh! Are you in my brain today?!! This is exactly what I was thinking and going to post!!! Especially the Gustav comment, but I was afraid some would think I was aligning with Michael Moore. lol

Excellent - I agree.

I heard Britt Hume say the "Bush third time" is wearing thin already. I was surprised he said that, because I was feeling that a couple of weeks ago.
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