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Old 01-13-2009, 02:10 PM
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Question About Forgiveness

My question is, How did OT believers receive forgiveness of sins? Messianics and Jews have told me that OT believers received forgiveness by repentance since sacrifices were for unintentional sins. I have been told that there were no sacrifices for sins such as murder and adultery. We know that David received forgiveness for adultery by repentance.

My followup question is one that has been posed to me by Jews. If OT believers received forgiveness by repentance, why do Jews need a Messiah to die on the cross and shed his blood?
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Re: Question About Forgiveness

I don't have an answer but this will be a good topic...
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Re: Question About Forgiveness

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My question is, How did OT believers receive forgiveness of sins? Messianics and Jews have told me that OT believers received forgiveness by repentance since sacrifices were for unintentional sins. I have been told that there were no sacrifices for sins such as murder and adultery. We know that David received forgiveness for adultery by repentance.

My followup question is one that has been posed to me by Jews. If OT believers received forgiveness by repentance, why do Jews need a Messiah to die on the cross and shed his blood?
You actually showed the answer. Nothing was forgiven in the Old Testament without God having means for forgiveness depend on the yet-future cross of Jesus. That is why we read this:
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, ]for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
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Re: Question About Forgiveness

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My question is, How did OT believers receive forgiveness of sins? Messianics and Jews have told me that OT believers received forgiveness by repentance since sacrifices were for unintentional sins. I have been told that there were no sacrifices for sins such as murder and adultery. We know that David received forgiveness for adultery by repentance.

My followup question is one that has been posed to me by Jews. If OT believers received forgiveness by repentance, why do Jews need a Messiah to die on the cross and shed his blood?

I Don't know maybe you could answer this question this does not look like a unintentional sin.
Lev 6:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 6:2 If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour;
Lev 6:3 Or have found that which was lost, and lieth concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any of all these that a man doeth, sinning therein:
Lev 6:4 Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,
Lev 6:5 Or all that about which he hath sworn falsely; he shall even restore it in the principal, and shall add the fifth part more thereto, and give it unto him to whom it appertaineth, in the day of his trespass offering.
Lev 6:6 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest:
Lev 6:7 And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.
And if sacrifices were for unitentional sins what was the once yearly sacrifice for if not for sins commited to push them on a year till Christ.
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