Is The Soul Immortal ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell. MATT.10:28 NKJV

Is the soul immortal ? Does the scriptures teach that the soul is immortal ?

[Michael The Disciple]

Many scriptures indicate souls can die:

14: And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Gen. 17:14

19: Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:
20: Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live. Gen. 19:19-20

15: Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. Exodus 12:15

19: Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. Ex. 12:19

14: Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 30:14

20: But the soul that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul shall be cut off from his people. Lev. 7:20

21: Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people. Lev. 7:21

25: For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people. Lev. 7:25

27: Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people. Lev. 7:27

8: Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Lev. 19:8

There are many more such scriptures but to an interested person this will be sufficient.

The proof is OVERWHELMING that the soul is MORTAL as opposed to being IMMORTAL.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Since Adam and Eve fell in the garden of Eden,would immortality be gained through salvation through Jesus Christ ?
Do sinners have immortality ?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Since Adam and Eve fell in the garden of Eden,would immortality be gained through salvation through Jesus Christ ?
Do sinners have immortality ?

3: And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4: Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5: But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6: Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Rom. 2:3-7

Elohim did not create man immortal. Thats why he blocked him from getting to the tree of life and eating of it thereby living forever.

We must believe in Jesus to live forever or gain immortality.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Elohim did not create man immortal. Thats why he blocked him from getting to the tree of life and eating of it thereby living forever.

We must believe in Jesus to live forever or gain immortality.

I have believed that Elohim indeed did create man immortal, and the tree of life would not supply that since only sin brought death. The grave was not mentioned until after God issued curses and man was a sinner.

But the tree of life certainly supplied immortality for those who came into a state of mortality due to sin, like a remedy. But I consider the fruit of life to not give innocent sinless man immortality, but rather the presence of God's eternal life within man.

This would mean the fruit of Life provided God's Life inside of immortal man before man sinned, but both provided immortality and God's Life to sinful and fallen man after the expulsion from the Garden.

Interesting subject.

[tbpew]

If we take as a given that there are three aspects of the human creature:
body
soul
spirit

...and if we take as a given that:
The body is of the earth (formed from the elemental components pertaining to the visible realm)
AND
will return to the earth from where it came
AND the human creature has a spirit that is from God and will return to God

The soul becomes the entire stage upon which everlasting life, everlasting death, everlasting dying, or everlasting annilation is played out.

I presently fully reject any concept of EVERLASTING DYING.
Death is the antithesis of LIFE; it is the absence of life. Death can not be the state of something that is alive.

The issue we need to wrestle with is whether or not the SOUL lives (animated with a conscience) beyond the second death.

I think we are poorly served by the variety of context that the English word SOUL appears in our beloved KJV. Life and Soul seem to be an interchangeable English word choice in many of the context where we read "Soul".

God is able to destroy body and soul in HELL. If he is able to do this, I see no reason why a merciful God would not.

The creature/entity whose SOUL is destroyed in HELL will have the result of an everlasting separation from God.

I understand that folks will want to say that I am advocating a scriptural witness of anilation, but I think we are better off staying with the thread topic terminology of "Is the immortal".

Does the sensitivity of this discussion center around the effectiveness of "eternal torment" as a preaching tool to get a fence sitter to commit?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by tbpew

If we take as a given that there are three aspects of the human creature:
body
soul
spirit

...and if we take as a given that:
The body is of the earth (formed from the elemental components pertaining to the visible realm)
AND
will return to the earth from where it came
AND the human creature has a spirit that is from God and will return to God

The soul becomes the entire stage upon which everlasting life, everlasting death, everlasting dying, or everlasting annilation is played out.

I presently fully reject any concept of EVERLASTING DYING.
Death is the antithesis of LIFE; it is the absence of life. Death can not be the state of something that is alive.

The issue we need to wrestle with is whether or not the SOUL lives (animated with a conscience) beyond the second death.

I think we are poorly served by the variety of context that the English word SOUL appears in our beloved KJV. Life and Soul seem to be an interchangeable English word choice in many of the context where we read "Soul".

God is able to destroy body and soul in HELL. If he is able to do this, I see no reason why a merciful God would not.

The creature/entity whose SOUL is destroyed in HELL will have the result of an everlasting separation from God.

I understand that folks will want to say that I am advocating a scriptural witness of anilation, but I think we are better off staying with the thread topic terminology of "Is the immortal".

Does the sensitivity of this discussion center around the effectiveness of "eternal torment" as a preaching tool to get a fence sitter to commit?

It does not seem to me eternal torment preaching gathers any more souls than annihilation teaching. I do believe in the strong teaching of eternal judgment-the destruction of the soul and body in Gehenna fire. We should preach a powerful message of judgment and doom to the lost. Yet it must be credible. Since the Old and New Testament both teaches the soul that sins shall die that should be the message.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It does not seem to me eternal torment preaching gathers any more souls than annihilation teaching. I do believe in the strong teaching of eternal judgment-the destruction of the soul and body in Gehenna fire. We should preach a powerful message of judgment and doom to the lost. Yet it must be credible. Since the Old and New Testament both teaches the soul that sins shall die that should be the message.

AMEN.
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Put in the hands of enough philosophers (Greeks) and teachers, words can become darkness rather than light.

Die doesn't really mean die.
Destroy doesn't mean destroy.

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I would not expect annihilation (which I am using synonomously with; a soul that has been destroyed), to gather more 'souls' since it takes away the evangelist's images of an infinity of days filled with unrelenting torment. Such imagery can be highly effective in the short term to prompt a fearful decision to come to a Baptist or Pentecostal alter.

[Michael The Disciple]

Was the soul of Yeshua Messiah mortal or immortal?

1: Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2: For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3: He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4: Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7: He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8: He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9: And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10: Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11: He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12: Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53:1-12

How was his soul made an offering for sin if it could not die? Verse 10

How could his soul be poured out unto death if it could not die? Verse 12

[Scott Hutchinson]

If being in the image of the first Adam,means that we are outside of everlasting life,then stepping into the image of the second Adam,Jesus Christ would gain for us immortality,which the first man Adam lost.
The forces of death,cannot prevail agains't the redeemed.