CAIR and the FBI

[Praxeas]

CAIR Says Poster Warning Against Helping FBI is Misinterpreted

The Council on American-Islamic Relations said it will remove a poster from the group's website promoting an upcoming conference that encourages people not to talk to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The poster, which appeared on the website of CAIR’s California chapter, features a sinister-looking FBI agent with the headlines “Build a Wall of Resistance” and “Don’t Talk to the FBI.” The poster was designed in the late 1970s or early 1980s and has been reproduced by various groups and activists since then in response to alleged harassment by the FBI and to protest grand jury subpoenas.
“I think it’s subject to misinterpretation,” spokesman Ibrahim Hooper told Fox News Radio when speaking about the poster. “We decided out of extreme caution to take it down.”


However, former FBI assistant director Bill Gavin told Fox News Radio the poster is sending the wrong message to the Muslim community.
“It sends out a real negative attitude to the Islamic community of what the FBI is really all about,” Gavin said. “This is just a propaganda tool to try and thwart an active investigation into criminal acts by a would-be terrorist group.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/13...#ixzz1AxRaiCL5

It's good they took it down but how can they assert it's subject to misinterpretation? Sounds pretty clear to me

[Jermyn Davidson]

If people don't have anything to hide, it seems they would cooperate.

Given the anti-Muslim sentiment that many hold, it seems to me that there would people working hard to correct their image, if indeed it needs correcting.


Too many Muslims are silent when bad thing happen at the hands of of other Muslims-- in America and abroad. Is this silence something that is commanded by their religion?

[Walks_in_islam]

I guess you actually have yourselves to blame on this silence issue.

The Latin maxim nemo tenetur se ipsum accusare ('no man is bound to accuse himself') became a rallying cry for religious and political dissidents who were prosecuted in the Star Chamber and High Commission of 16th century England. People coming before these tribunals were forced to make the ex officio oath by which they swore to truthfully answer the questions to be put before them without knowing what they were being accused of. This created what has been termed the cruel trilemma whereby these accused were forced to chose between committing the mortal sin of perjury (if they lied under oath to protect themselves), harsh punishment for contempt of court (if they refused to answer), or betraying their "natural" duty of self-preservation (if they told the truth to honor their oath).

The right to silence was important enough to include in the 5th amendment. I guess you or me or anyone else can choose to exercise that right (or is it a right at all anymore?) It seems when rights become non-rights then the identity of America itself is threatened and those inside who threaten the identity of America itself are more dangerous to America than those outside who want to.

wii

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I guess you actually have yourselves to blame on this silence issue.

The Latin maxim nemo tenetur se ipsum accusare ('no man is bound to accuse himself') became a rallying cry for religious and political dissidents who were prosecuted in the Star Chamber and High Commission of 16th century England. People coming before these tribunals were forced to make the ex officio oath by which they swore to truthfully answer the questions to be put before them without knowing what they were being accused of. This created what has been termed the cruel trilemma whereby these accused were forced to chose between committing the mortal sin of perjury (if they lied under oath to protect themselves), harsh punishment for contempt of court (if they refused to answer), or betraying their "natural" duty of self-preservation (if they told the truth to honor their oath).

The right to silence was important enough to include in the 5th amendment. I guess you or me or anyone else can choose to exercise that right (or is it a right at all anymore?) It seems when rights become non-rights then the identity of America itself is threatened and those inside who threaten the identity of America itself are more dangerous to America than those outside who want to.

wii

Are you defending CAIR'S record?
America is foolish in how it allows its enemies inside the gates.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I guess you actually have yourselves to blame on this silence issue.

The Latin maxim nemo tenetur se ipsum accusare ('no man is bound to accuse himself') became a rallying cry for religious and political dissidents who were prosecuted in the Star Chamber and High Commission of 16th century England. People coming before these tribunals were forced to make the ex officio oath by which they swore to truthfully answer the questions to be put before them without knowing what they were being accused of. This created what has been termed the cruel trilemma whereby these accused were forced to chose between committing the mortal sin of perjury (if they lied under oath to protect themselves), harsh punishment for contempt of court (if they refused to answer), or betraying their "natural" duty of self-preservation (if they told the truth to honor their oath).

The right to silence was important enough to include in the 5th amendment. I guess you or me or anyone else can choose to exercise that right (or is it a right at all anymore?) It seems when rights become non-rights then the identity of America itself is threatened and those inside who threaten the identity of America itself are more dangerous to America than those outside who want to.

wii

There is a HUGE difference between self incriminating witness in a trial and conspiring on a mass scale to cooperate in criminal investigations that could prevent a crime

[Walks_in_islam]

My post actually said nothing about CAIR

Originally Posted by crakjak

Are you defending CAIR'S record?
America is foolish in how it allows its enemies inside the gates.

[Walks_in_islam]

People do not have to talk to authorities if they do not wish to.

If you are aware of a mass conspiracy then call it in and it can be prosecuted just like any other crime. I will be helpful and point out that the number is an easily remembered 911.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

There is a HUGE difference between self incriminating witness in a trial and conspiring on a mass scale to cooperate in criminal investigations that could prevent a crime

[aegsm76]

WII - do you believe it was right for CAIR to put this up on their website?

[Walks_in_islam]

I believe they have the right to do it. Otherwise, I have no opinion on what the California chapter of CAIR is doing or not doing in their conferences.

[aegsm76]

WII - is it true that it is against the tenets of Islam to criticize a fellow believer?
I believe the KKK has a right to try and spread their "religion" also.
However I do have an opinion on that racist, hate-filled organization.