Why does Oneness deny Son as creator?

Why does Oneness deny the Son as creator?


My only explanation would be because they deny that the Son possess any divine attributes! (as the Son) The Son in Oneness, as in Mormonism, Unitarianism and the Watchtower is just a created being, who comes into existance at a point in time and who lacks divine attributes; although some of these sects such as the Watchtower do confusingly make him co-creator.

In Oneness the one true God is he who indwells the SON, the 'Almighty God in Christ,' the Son himself is just a human shell in Oneness theology who completely lacks divine attributes and so isn't; eternal, creator, Omniscient, Omnipresent, immutible, Omniscient, Omnipotent etc.

So the Son in Oneness isn't God, but is a mere man with God inside of him.

[Elizabeth]

We do not deny him as creator--

John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Originally Posted by Jeanie

We do not deny him as creator--

John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

OK so do you concur with me that the SON was there from before the creation together with the Father and that they together with the Holy Spirit made this universe; Hebrews 1:2, Genesis 1:2? Please notice that I've used the word 'SON' as Oneness folk to my knowledge claim that the Son isn't an eternal Son, but that he came into existance at a point in time at behtlehem.

Originally Posted by Jeanie

We do not deny him as creator--

John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Just to let you know, I call this type of answer which you've given the 'Jesus trick.' It goes like this Jeanie. I ask you if the Son is creator, you reply that Jesus (by which you mean God the Father) is creator. However, you've still avoided telling me if the Son in your theology is creator, as I never asked your opinion about the Father.

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Why does Oneness deny the Son as creator?


My only explanation would be because they deny that the Son possess any divine attributes! (as the Son) The Son in Oneness, as in Mormonism, Unitarianism and the Watchtower is just a created being, who comes into existance at a point in time and who lacks divine attributes; although some of these sects such as the Watchtower do confusingly make him co-creator.

In Oneness the one true God is he who indwells the SON, the 'Almighty God in Christ,' the Son himself is just a human shell in Oneness theology who completely lacks divine attributes and so isn't; eternal, creator, Omniscient, Omnipresent, immutible, Omniscient, Omnipotent etc.

So the Son in Oneness isn't God, but is a mere man with God inside of him.

The Bible never says that the Son is the Creator but, instead that it is by Him that GOD created (see John 1:3; John 1:10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Hebrews 1:2; and Hebrews 2:10). How did GOD create? He spoke Creation into existence and what God spoke (and the power behind it) was the logos in John 1.

Consider also the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, True God of True God, Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;

And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;

And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets;

And we believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,

And the life of the age to come. Amen.

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

OK so do you concur with me that the SON was there from before the creation together with the Father and that they together with the Holy Spirit made this universe; Hebrews 1:2, Genesis 1:2? Please notice that I've used the word 'SON' as Oneness folk to my knowledge claim that the Son isn't an eternal Son, but that he came into existance at a point in time at behtlehem.

But that isn't what the Bible says. It doesn't say there were three that Created. It says that GOD (whom 1 Corinthians 8:6 identifies as the Father) created and that it was by means of His logos that He created.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Please notice that I've used the word 'SON' as Oneness folk to my knowledge claim that the Son isn't an eternal Son, but that he came into existance at a point in time at behtlehem.

Only his humanity came into existence at a point in time, but God has always existed. He became the Son WHEN His humanity came into existence and united His Person and Divine Essence with a human nature

Originally Posted by Chan

The Bible never says that the Son is the Creator but, instead that it is by Him that GOD created (see John 1:3; John 1:10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Hebrews 1:2; and Hebrews 2:10). How did GOD create? He spoke Creation into existence and what God spoke (and the power behind it) was the logos in John 1.

So are you saying that the SON existed together with the father at the creation of the universe, and that they then both created as Hebrews 1:2 states: Yes or NO? Secondly, what do you mean by 'God's power?' Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Holy Spirit is God's power, i.e. an impersonal immaterial force, so are you saying something like this about the Son? Please explain your definition of the logos as a force. thanks

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Only his humanity came into existence at a point in time, but God has always existed. He became the Son WHEN His humanity came into existence and united His Person and Divine Essence with a human nature

If God BECAME the SON, then you belevie God changed, this is why the Trinitarian creeds state that God took on flesh, and they reject as heresy the claim that GOD BECAME flesh. Secondly, how would you explain the Son being said to exist as the Son form before the creation at Hebrews 1:2, John 17:5, 17:24 etc.

Originally Posted by Chan

But that isn't what the Bible says. It doesn't say there were three that Created. It says that GOD (whom 1 Corinthians 8:6 identifies as the Father) created and that it was by means of His logos that He created.

The Bible states that the Father and the SOn together created; Hebrews 1:2 and that the Holy Spirit also created; Genesis 1:2, so the One God who creates 'all alone' and 'by myself' is Father and Son and Holy Spirit.