How Can You Decry Torture, Support Drone Killings?

[deacon blues]

How can one denounce enhanced interrogations like water boarding (calling it torture) and support Obama's campaign of drone killings? I support both enhanced interrogations and drone killings. One exception I would make is that the drone killings might cause us to miss important intel because we don't apprehend the terrorist and interrogate him. But isn't it a bit hypocritical to decry enhanced interrogations but support drones?

[canam]

He is killing for votes as long as they get em i dont care the reasoning ,whats next? bomb Gitmo by mistake ? See i told ya id close it like i said )

[Sam]

personally I support "torture" and drone killings and anything else to take 'em out.

In the Old Testament, God did his share of killing by using His people, and in the New Testament He talks about civil government bearing a sword (Romans 13:1-7)

[canam]

Originally Posted by Sam

personally I support "torture" and drone killings and anything else to take 'em out.

In the Old Testament, God did his share of killing by using His people, and in the New Testament He talks about civil government bearing a sword (Romans 13:1-7)

[aegsm76]

Wait until the next generation drones come out.
About the size of a hummingbird, packed with explosives and a camera.
Scary stuff.
I'll try to find a link...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

How can one denounce enhanced interrogations like water boarding (calling it torture) and support Obama's campaign of drone killings? I support both enhanced interrogations and drone killings. One exception I would make is that the drone killings might cause us to miss important intel because we don't apprehend the terrorist and interrogate him. But isn't it a bit hypocritical to decry enhanced interrogations but support drones?

Obama's increased use of the Drone Killing Program was one of the few pleasant surprises for me from the Obama administration.

It can't really be justified within liberal pacifist dogma so I believe the explanation is that Obama justifies it to himself by thinking using this remote method to kill the head or heads of the snake (al queda) is better than committing actual tropps and manned aircraft.

I also think this shows that whatever dogma liberals profess to have they always make exceptions for themselves to violate it. In the same way that they preach love and tolerance for all except they don't extend that to consevatives or anybody who disagrees with them.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

How can one denounce enhanced interrogations like water boarding (calling it torture) and support Obama's campaign of drone killings? I support both enhanced interrogations and drone killings. One exception I would make is that the drone killings might cause us to miss important intel because we don't apprehend the terrorist and interrogate him. But isn't it a bit hypocritical to decry enhanced interrogations but support drones?

I think you are mixing apples and oranges.


There isn't much suffering in drone killing and usually when drones are used, it is not to get intel from perpetrators-- it is to kill perpetrators.


The real debate is whether intel gleaned from waterboarding and other torture methods is even good intel in the first place. Some say it is, some say it isn't.

It was my combat experience that for we were more succesful in a softer approach, once the bad guys were captured and not killed.


Torturing twisted people often only solidifies their resolve and commitment to their twisted value system that tells them that after they have suffer and even die for allah's sake, they will be blessed in eternity with relations with many virgins!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Think about it!

If a Christian was captured and began to be tortured for a cause seen as directly related to the Cause of Christ, that Christian wouldn't break so easily. Clear Bible promises will encourage that Christian to endure until the end, knowing that at the end there is a Crown of Life for those who remain faithful.

An up front assault on a Christian's most holy faith will not be as effective at getting that Christian to betray the Cause of Christ as that Christian will see their sufferring as an opportunity to please our GOD and Savior.


That same Christian will choose food over fasting much more easily.

That same Christian will choose tv or Bible reading much more easily.

That same Christian will simply neglect prayer much more easily when presented with the hustle of everyday life.

That same Christian will work 6 days a week to enjoy this or that-- giving thought to God for about 45 minutes on a Sunday morning, only if that Christian is not on vacation.


Conquering your enemy is not always best accomplished through blatant violence-- ask the backslidden children of your Christian neighbor.

I don't think torture is anything that our government should utilize or endorse-- especially when dealing with twisted thinking.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

...That same Christian will choose food over fasting much more easily.

That same Christian will choose tv or Bible reading much more easily.

That same Christian will simply neglect prayer much more easily when presented with the hustle of everyday life.

That same Christian will work 6 days a week to enjoy this or that-- giving thought to God for about 45 minutes on a Sunday morning, only if that Christian is not on vacation. ...

I think the brother has done quit preachin' and gone to meddlin'

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think you are mixing apples and oranges.


There isn't much suffering in drone killing and usually when drones are used, it is not to get intel from perpetrators-- it is to kill perpetrators.


The real debate is whether intel gleaned from waterboarding and other torture methods is even good intel in the first place. Some say it is, some say it isn't.

It was my combat experience that for we were more succesful in a softer approach, once the bad guys were captured and not killed.


Torturing twisted people often only solidifies their resolve and commitment to their twisted value system that tells them that after they have suffer and even die for allah's sake, they will be blessed in eternity with relations with many virgins!

I used the word "torture" in the title of this thread because that's what the opponents of enhanced interrogations call them, and because it fit better in the limited space than "enhanced interrogations". Lol.

Water boarding and sleep deprivation, while causing anxiety or stress, have been determined not to be life threatening. Therefore I don't think it's fair to cause it torture. Torture to me is something that injures the body, causing enormous amounts of pain, suffering and threatens the victim with death. Enhanced interrogations don't do that. It might cause some panic, some frustration, some pressure, but nothing like torture.

The former head of the EI program recently wrote a book and was interviewed on 60 Minutes about the EI program and stated definitely that KSM and others offered vast amounts of intel as a result of EI. People can argue the pros and cons of EI, but those in the know of what was actually procured as a result of EI say that manynlives were saved as a result and that OBL was found and snuffed out directly bc of what we garnered from EI.

Obviously drones aren't for exacting intelligence, but the question is, do we kill AQ and other terrorist leaders so quickly, or do we find a way to apprehend them so we can continue to harvest intel from them. It's a good question. But in the end I support both EI and drones.

My question is how can people decry EI but then stay silent on the drones? There's no guarantee that innocent victims aren't collateral damage when taking out these men with drones. In fact we've had some mistakes with the drones and killed innocents as a result.