[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by staysharp

What am I asking is this: Does that mean no jews, blacks, gays, etc. A privately held club like a "men's club" cannot exclude women legally. This has been challenged in the courts and has been defeated.

It wasn't that long ago that blacks were not allowed on some golf courses in the south or in the country clubs even though those clubs had private rules. I understand we are guests, but can the "homeowner" make rules that violate our civil rights?

One last post on the topic and I will start charging. :-)

You are presenting two very different issues.

One is free speech, the other is discriminatory exclusion.

Free speech is much more able to be regulated in a private forum.

AFF does NOT practice discriminatory exclusion. ALL are welcome.

They just must follow the rules WHICH WERE AGREED TO BEFORE JOINING

The hypothetical in which you listed race, religion etc and to which you referred to as having a right to join "a club": First in all instances it is not an absolute right, but more importantly once joined they still have to follow the rules they agreed to.

So once again, freedom of speech can be limited (ESPECIALLY by agreement), and there is NO discriminatory exclusion here.

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