groups or classes cannot be excluded on the basis of their belonging to some particular class. However individuals within any class can be excluded on the basis of their actions.
For instance, in your personal strip club (which you referenced above) you cannot exclude women, however if Renda were to show up with a sign stating that you and all your employees were going to hell for being in your strip club, they you could toss Renda even though she was right.
Well, I wasn't referring to a strip club, usually men WANT women in a strip club unless it's _____club.
I'm wondering if our God given inalienable rights as human beings applies to AFF? Since this is a religious internet communal and I assume we are all Americans, shouldn't we have the same freedom of expression here as we do in public?
I realize this is a privately funded forum, nevertheless the tentacles of our laws extend into the crevices of private corporations. I am unaware of any private clubs that have the power to supercede the Bill of Rights?
Is it lawful to ban individuals who intimidate the scripturally weak? Is it further lawful to censure threads that speak against the Administration?
If we were in Cuba I would understand.
Actually, StaySharp, you do NOT have the same rights here, because here you can't (or shouldn't) use profanities, obscenities, discuss topics of inappropriate nature for mixed company, call other people ugly names, and otherwise do things you can do at any time in "public America." (Generally speaking...however many private businesses, and individuals will still restrict your "freedom" to do so.)
Freedom is relative and usually qualified with morality, legalities and individual perception. So get over it.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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Is the AFF a home or a club? A home usually doesn't have people visiting from all across the country at the same time. This is a public forum held privately.
Tell ya what, SS, why don't you go see an attorney, and see if he agrees that your "inalienable rights" have been violated, and then come back and let us know what he/she has to say about the matter. And good luck with that.
Or, you could just go do something profitable with your day instead of exploiting your own boredom with negativity and stupidity.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I'm wondering if our God given inalienable rights as human beings applies to AFF? Since this is a religious internet communal and I assume we are all Americans, shouldn't we have the same freedom of expression here as we do in public?
I realize this is a privately funded forum, nevertheless the tentacles of our laws extend into the crevices of private corporations. I am unaware of any private clubs that have the power to supercede the Bill of Rights?
Is it lawful to ban individuals who intimidate the scripturally weak? Is it further lawful to censure threads that speak against the Administration?
If we were in Cuba I would understand.
Wrong here too , clubs can go as far as to encite a dress code with no shirts or hats that may state ones opinion.
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I really wish people would not toss the First Amendment around. I wish people knew what the Bill of Rights was about.
The bill of rights does not necessarily govern our individual relationships with one another.
The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to establish certain areas (or rights) that an individual has in relation to the government of the United States of America.
Did anyone take a civics course in highschool?
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Tell ya what, SS, why don't you go see an attorney, and see if he agrees that your "inalienable rights" have been violated, and then come back and let us know what he/she has to say about the matter. And good luck with that.
Or, you could just go do something profitable with your day instead of exploiting your own boredom with negativity and stupidity.
Well, evidently it was an interesting enough question that you responded with anger. I was merely asking a legal question. I have no problem with the rules. However, the rules of this forum are subjective.
Gossip is rampant. Is that a Christian activity that should be allowed too? If you are going to ban someone for disagreeing with the traditional doctrinal stance, shouldn't you ban Thad too?
I really wish people would not toss the First Amendment around. I wish people knew what the Bill of Rights was about.
The bill of rights does not necessarily govern our individual relationships with one another.
The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to establish certain areas (or rights) that an individual has in relation to the government of the United States of America.
Did anyone take a civics course in highschool?
Great answer, you have been very helpful. Thanks. High school was a looonnngg time ago.
What am I asking is this: Does that mean no jews, blacks, gays, etc. A privately held club like a "men's club" cannot exclude women legally. This has been challenged in the courts and has been defeated.
It wasn't that long ago that blacks were not allowed on some golf courses in the south or in the country clubs even though those clubs had private rules. I understand we are guests, but can the "homeowner" make rules that violate our civil rights?
One last post on the topic and I will start charging. :-)
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You are presenting two very different issues.
One is free speech, the other is discriminatory exclusion.
Free speech is much more able to be regulated in a private forum.
AFF does NOT practice discriminatory exclusion. ALL are welcome.
They just must follow the rules WHICH WERE AGREED TO BEFORE JOINING
The hypothetical in which you listed race, religion etc and to which you referred to as having a right to join "a club": First in all instances it is not an absolute right, but more importantly once joined they still have to follow the rules they agreed to.
So once again, freedom of speech can be limited (ESPECIALLY by agreement), and there is NO discriminatory exclusion here.
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