This is an article someone sent me and I'd like to hear your opinions on it. While I don't agree with everything written, I thought it was interesting and well thought out. Please read it and let me know what you think. This will be in three parts, as it's too large for one post.
A Sign For Angels
Note: To properly understand the position of the writer please read the author's message "To The Reader".
1 Cor 11:1-16
1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God and therefore, though the Apostle Paul is writing this instruction, the Holy Spirit is leading him into truth.
2 Tim 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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This teaching opens with Paul's admonishment to keep the ordinances as he delivered (taught) them to us. In chapter eleven of First Corinthians, Paul teaches the observance of two ordinances. First, the ordinance of honoring headship and the second, that of observing communion at the Lord's table.
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We would do well to note that Paul's first concern is that we obey these ordinances as he, led by the Spirit, delivered them (taught them) to us. Paul expects all church members to follow them as he has outlined without revision, addition or omission. He makes no allowances for changing them in any way. If we therefore, follow any teaching which adds, removes or changes any part of these ordinances, we contradict the authority which has inspired Paul to write these instructions. Such a contradiction to God's leading and His word can only be interpreted as sin; the sin of disobedience. All this can be discerned in the first two verses of this chapter.
1 Cor 11:1-2
1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
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Note, it says, "As I delivered them to you" not "as you would like".
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Honor Your Authority
Paul then, having established his apostolic authority precedes to explain what he wants both men and women of God to do. We are to physically demonstrate our understanding and acceptance of God's order of authority. This physical demonstration of our submission has been provided for the sake of the angels.
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A Matter Of Order
Paul explains that in the order of God's authority, Christ is subject to the power (authority) of His God and Father. Paul continues by instructing man that he must be subject to the authority of Christ and demonstrate this subjection by removing any coverings he may have on his head while praying or prophesying aloud. Paul acknowledges a difference between the way women demonstrate their recognition of authority (headship) and men do. He explains men must remove the covering from their head when praying or prophesying aloud because they're made in God's image and thus are His glory. We worship an unseen God, a God of Spirit and so it would seem that the unseen covering, when removed, best represents man's submission to God's authority (power).
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Conversely, women are instructed to wear a covering on their heads while praying or prophesying aloud as a symbol that they recognize the authority (power) of man over them. The power on their head is man's authority, demonstrated visually by the covering they are to wear on their head. This is required because the woman was taken from man and thus is his glory. When angels may be present and able to hear her pray or prophesy aloud she must demonstrate her submission to man's authority (power) over her by wearing a visible covering. Thus by a visible covering the woman demonstrates to the angels her understanding of God's order of authority in the same way as does man by removing his covering. The woman wears a visible sign (the covering) over her head to honor her visible authority; the man. The failure of a man to remove his covering while praying or prophesying dishonors his head (Christ) and any failure of the woman to wear a covering while praying or prophesying dishonors her head, the man. Women are required to obey their husbands as unto the Lord (Eph 5:22) thus we may conclude that any dishonor to the man also brings dishonor to the Lord.
Eph 5:22
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
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It's No Misunderstanding
Some may claim that the word "man" used in this text applies only to husbands and therefore, doesn't apply to single women. This is false because, not every woman is married but every woman that prays or prophesies aloud with her head uncovered dishonors her head.
1 Cor 11:5
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
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Note: it doesn't say every married woman but every woman, indicating single or married. The need to uncover, in the case of the man, or cover, in the case of the woman, is a gesture designed for the observance of angels.
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The Reason For This Display
The need to do this most likely goes back to the great rebellion of heaven when a third of heaven's angels chose to ignore God's authority. These angles turned their back on God's authority (power) and left His divine protection to pursue their own will and satisfy their own appetites. Since this disaster, there has been a need for God's faithful to outwardly demonstrate their submission to His divine plan of authority. Again, this is done for the sake of the angels.
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God Alone Sees
If angels were able to read the hearts of all humans, there would be no need for this visible symbol. It appears that angels neither see nor hear what we think or silently pray.
I King 8:39
39 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men)
2 Chr 6:30
30 Then hear thou from heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and render unto every man according unto all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men)
1 Sam 16:7
7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
Jer 17:9-10
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings
1 Pet 3:4
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
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God alone is privileged to know these things.
Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Because angels are unable to hear our thoughts or see them, they have no understanding of what is said in silent prayer, thought or mediation. They are unable to determine if we are praying, prophesying or simply thinking through a problem unless we speak our words aloud.
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I've never heard of silent prophesying but if we pray or prophesy silently there is no need for men to remove their covering or women to wear one, as angels would be unaware of what's going on. With this understanding, we can conclude that praying silently would not require any visible observance. Angels are only aware of what they can see or hear, just like mankind. If this were not so, those that rebelled would have known, by reading the hearts of the other angels, that their rebellion was destined for failure. They would have realized that two thirds of their forces would remain faithful to God.
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A Demonstration Of Obedience
When we, as men and women of God, submit to this ordinance, we demonstrate our loyalty to the principles of God's authority. When we obey this ordinance, we join the ranks of those two third angels that kept faith with God. These same angels that will one day come to collect those of us who have submitted ourselves to Him.
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In the verses following verse seven of I Corinthians eleven, Paul explains the reasons why men and women are required to observe this ordinance differently. He explains that in the beginning of creation man did not come from woman but woman from man. This is one reason for the woman to have a sign of authority on her head. To minimize any dissension this might cause, Paul reminds us that both men and women are one; stating that neither man or woman is without the other.
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Doesn't Nature Teach Us
Paul, guided by the Holy Spirit, asks us to search within ourselves for the truth about the covering and by this suggests, that the spirit within us will agree. The spirit within will affirm that even our own choice of hair length suggests a natural awareness, a sensitivity to this issue. Men seem naturally to seek shorter hair and regard long hair as feminine. Thus, they reject much of their natural covering. Women on the other hand, tend to cover their heads with long hair showing a natural desire to cover; a covering which has been given to them by God and designed to bring them a natural beauty (glory). This illustration is given purely as an example as evidenced by the way it is introduced, “Doth not even nature itself teach you…” (1 Co11:14).
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In no way does this suggest that hair may be substituted for a covering of cloth or other suitable material. When praying or prophesying, a suitable covering must be found that can be put on or removed, else why would it only be required when praying or prophesying? If the natural hair were sufficient then it would be foolish to require it only when praying or prophesying as the woman would be covered all the time. God does nothing that's foolish.
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Two Sides Of The Issue
Most churches today seem to favor the idea that the covering is no longer required. They feel a woman's long hair is sufficient to satisfy this requirement. Few church fellowships practice this custom if any and most tend to consider it a legalistic practice. If, however, you were to ask these same groups how much of the New Testament they should obey and follow, most would answer, "all of it.” If we believe the Lord’s commandments are not burdensome, and if we are to keep the traditions of the Apostles, how then can we avoid this ordinance?
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
II Th 2:15
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
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Again, if long hair is an adequate way to meet this requirement, then how do we explain it only being required when praying or prophesying? We may note that among today's Christian women it is common to see short hair often rivaling the hairstyles of men. What kind of covering is this? Please note that while a covering is required when a woman prays aloud or gives prophecy, she is not biblically required to have long hair. Long hair is a God given and God permitted adornment, it is not a commandment.
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Today's women sometimes complain that long hair is too much to fuss with or state, "I can't be bothered with it every time I pray, it'll mess my hair," or "I'll look foolish.". The intent of this entire New Testament ordinance is to show the angels that men have not abandoned their honor of Christ and women haven't ceased to honor the male authority in their life. If we discontinue this practice, what message do we send the angels? If our women pin some fashionable, little lace cloth to the back of their head, covering only a small portion of their head, what does this demonstrate? Perhaps a careless, halfhearted sense of obedience to God's request and only partial submission to His order of authority.
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The Other Position
The other position most often encountered is that of wearing it all the time. If it’s worth wearing to show obedience during prayer or prophecy, why not all the time? This ordinance is a sign of submission in the same way that feet washing is. If wearing the covering all the time is proper for the woman then I suppose men should never wear a hat, even if working in sub-zero temperatures. Perhaps we could find some way to wash each other's feet constantly, also.
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If the ordinances intended men to remain uncovered always or women to cover always it would have said so. What harm can it do to remain covered all the time? Is it sin? If we, as leaders, remove any liberty that is ours in Christ, if we add any regulation which is not authorized, then we place His flock once more in bondage and that is sin. It's sin for the leaders to teach this and sin for those who follow this teaching. If women allow themselves to wear a covering all the time because they're used to it but instruct their daughters to wear only while praying and prophesying, then they sin by example like the Pharisees for they "say and do not."
Matt 23:3
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
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Some women feel it's better to wear it all the time, it's more obedient, while at the same time making the covering smaller and pushing it further and further to the rear of the head. If this isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is. Why not simply obey the word of God as it is written, no more and no less, then maybe we can put an end to our endless wrangling about this subject.
It Should Be Obvious
1 Cor 11:16
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
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The last verse of this text is difficult for some to understand clearly; I confess it takes a little reasoning to work out. Realizing that all the previous verses in this chapter deal with reasons to cover and uncover, it's obvious that Paul is not suggesting that we abandon the ordinances he just finished teaching. We must remind ourselves that this entire teaching is given so we will obey this ordinance.
1 Cor 11:2
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
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Having stated this, we must conclude that this final verse must be understood this way. If any man comes to the church suggesting another means of observing respect for God's authority, let him know that in this church we observe no other custom than that which has been outlined here and all the other churches observe this same custom in the same way.
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It's time we stopped saying we obey the entire New Covenant if we don't. Let's stop adding to it, subtracting from it or changing it and instead, why don’t we just do what it says from a willing and loving heart.
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When a woman covers her head during public prayer or prophesy, she demonstrates her willing submission to the headship of man. In this act, she publicly recognizes him as the image and glory of God. When a woman speaks to God (prays) or for God (prophesies) she is spiritually standing before Him in the presence of His glory so it is fitting for her, as the glory of man, to cover herself thus concealing man’s glory in God’s presence.
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It would be dishonest for any woman to cover herself while refusing to recognize the headship of man as the image and glory of God. The covering is a sign for angels, i.e. a language which indicates her acceptance of man’s headship. Thus, in her dissenting position, it would be improper for her to observe the practice of head covering. The covering should only be worn by women who honor and respect the headship of men.
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Women who keep the practice of head covering do so as a public testimony to their acceptance of God’s order of authority. Women who do not cover when they pray or prophesy do so as a public testimony to their rejection of God’s order of authority, i.e. the headship of man. No church should ever impose this ordinance on any woman who does not agree with its meaning or practice. If a woman chooses not to recognize man’s headship, it would be hypocritical of her to maintain the practice of head covering. By refusing to wear it, she makes clear to the church, that she won’t be subject to male authority in the home or the church and though this is dishonoring to her husband or her church leadership, it is also a truthful, public, demonstration of the life she has chosen to live. Her shame is that she reveals this to the whole church by refusing to be covered thus, it is as though she has had her head shaved for all to see.
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The Christian man, by removing his head covering, demonstrates his submission to the headship of Christ. Men who refuse to remove their head covering during public prayer or prophesy, dishonor their head, Jesus Christ and reveal their disobedience to the word of God. They hide from view their head, the representative image of God and His glory. By so doing, they deny the headship of Christ. Such men should be removed from the assembly as disobedient, divisive and/or contentious. By not removing their covering, they demonstrate their refusal to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord. This is not a difficult ordinance to obey for those whose hearts are willing to serve God. Why not demonstrate your willingness to serve God; He sacrificed His only begotten Son to both serve and save you?
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This is an article someone sent me and I'd like to hear your opinions on it. While I don't agree with everything written, I thought it was interesting and well thought out. Please read it and let me know what you think. This will be in three parts, as it's too large for one post.
A Sign For Angels
Note: To properly understand the position of the writer please read the author's message "To The Reader".
1 Cor 11:1-16
1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God and therefore, though the Apostle Paul is writing this instruction, the Holy Spirit is leading him into truth.
2 Tim 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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This teaching opens with Paul's admonishment to keep the ordinances as he delivered (taught) them to us. In chapter eleven of First Corinthians, Paul teaches the observance of two ordinances. First, the ordinance of honoring headship and the second, that of observing communion at the Lord's table.
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We would do well to note that Paul's first concern is that we obey these ordinances as he, led by the Spirit, delivered them (taught them) to us. Paul expects all church members to follow them as he has outlined without revision, addition or omission. He makes no allowances for changing them in any way. If we therefore, follow any teaching which adds, removes or changes any part of these ordinances, we contradict the authority which has inspired Paul to write these instructions. Such a contradiction to God's leading and His word can only be interpreted as sin; the sin of disobedience. All this can be discerned in the first two verses of this chapter.
1 Cor 11:1-2
1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
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Note, it says, "As I delivered them to you" not "as you would like".
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Honor Your Authority
Paul then, having established his apostolic authority precedes to explain what he wants both men and women of God to do. We are to physically demonstrate our understanding and acceptance of God's order of authority. This physical demonstration of our submission has been provided for the sake of the angels.
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A Matter Of Order
Paul explains that in the order of God's authority, Christ is subject to the power (authority) of His God and Father. Paul continues by instructing man that he must be subject to the authority of Christ and demonstrate this subjection by removing any coverings he may have on his head while praying or prophesying aloud. Paul acknowledges a difference between the way women demonstrate their recognition of authority (headship) and men do. He explains men must remove the covering from their head when praying or prophesying aloud because they're made in God's image and thus are His glory. We worship an unseen God, a God of Spirit and so it would seem that the unseen covering, when removed, best represents man's submission to God's authority (power).
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Conversely, women are instructed to wear a covering on their heads while praying or prophesying aloud as a symbol that they recognize the authority (power) of man over them. The power on their head is man's authority, demonstrated visually by the covering they are to wear on their head. This is required because the woman was taken from man and thus is his glory. When angels may be present and able to hear her pray or prophesy aloud she must demonstrate her submission to man's authority (power) over her by wearing a visible covering. Thus by a visible covering the woman demonstrates to the angels her understanding of God's order of authority in the same way as does man by removing his covering. The woman wears a visible sign (the covering) over her head to honor her visible authority; the man. The failure of a man to remove his covering while praying or prophesying dishonors his head (Christ) and any failure of the woman to wear a covering while praying or prophesying dishonors her head, the man. Women are required to obey their husbands as unto the Lord (Eph 5:22) thus we may conclude that any dishonor to the man also brings dishonor to the Lord.
Eph 5:22
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
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It's No Misunderstanding
Some may claim that the word "man" used in this text applies only to husbands and therefore, doesn't apply to single women. This is false because, not every woman is married but every woman that prays or prophesies aloud with her head uncovered dishonors her head.
1 Cor 11:5
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
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Note: it doesn't say every married woman but every woman, indicating single or married. The need to uncover, in the case of the man, or cover, in the case of the woman, is a gesture designed for the observance of angels.
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The Reason For This Display
The need to do this most likely goes back to the great rebellion of heaven when a third of heaven's angels chose to ignore God's authority. These angles turned their back on God's authority (power) and left His divine protection to pursue their own will and satisfy their own appetites. Since this disaster, there has been a need for God's faithful to outwardly demonstrate their submission to His divine plan of authority. Again, this is done for the sake of the angels.
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God Alone Sees
If angels were able to read the hearts of all humans, there would be no need for this visible symbol. It appears that angels neither see nor hear what we think or silently pray.
I King 8:39
39 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men)
2 Chr 6:30
30 Then hear thou from heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and render unto every man according unto all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men)
1 Sam 16:7
7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
Jer 17:9-10
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings
1 Pet 3:4
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
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God alone is privileged to know these things.
Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Because angels are unable to hear our thoughts or see them, they have no understanding of what is said in silent prayer, thought or mediation. They are unable to determine if we are praying, prophesying or simply thinking through a problem unless we speak our words aloud.
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In a cursory reading, it seems the writer is advocating women covering their head with an article of clothing, veil, etc.
Which by the way overseas, in India all the churches have their women do this.
In a cursory reading, it seems the writer is advocating women covering their head with an article of clothing, veil, etc.
Which by the way overseas, in India all the churches have their women do this.
That is the main part I don't agree with, because scripture does say that if a woman has long hair, it's given for a covering, and that, to me, means that no other covering is needed. However, if she doesn't have long hair, she needs a covering....but I don't think this is a heaven or hell issue, nor do I believe that God's hearing aid isn't on when women pray who have short hair.
Paul referred to a custom, not a law. Customs change with time.
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A good article. Yes all women should veil when publicly praying or prophesying. There are some Apostolic groups that practice this truth. All the spiritual Churches I ever fellowshipped with practiced it.
Amazing that so many accept the traditions of men (uncut hair) and refuse the Apostolic truth. I hope it wont always be that way.
That is the main part I don't agree with, because scripture does say that if a woman has long hair, it's given for a covering, and that, to me, means that no other covering is needed. However, if she doesn't have long hair, she needs a covering....but I don't think this is a heaven or hell issue, nor do I believe that God's hearing aid isn't on when women pray who have short hair.
Paul referred to a custom, not a law. Customs change with time.
I am in the throes of moving today so I am very limited in my response.
When the text says that long hair is a covering, from NATURE's TEACHING, it is saying nothing about hair replacing veils. It is simply saying that nature's example of why a woman should wear a man made veiling of some sort is the fact that a natural veil of long hair suits a woman and not a man. Since natural veils of long hair look good on a woman, Paul is saying that confirms from NATURE that a woman ought to be covered with a veil and not a man. Nature is only one support proof for the veil among the others Paul listed previous to this.
My only thoughts about this are that this symbol is not recognized here in North America as it is in the middle east. So I think it is a moot issue to a degree. But it is not focusing on long hair at all. Long hair was only nature's example for a veiling. The issue is a veil.
I claim it is north american ignorance of the eastern custom of veils, here, that has changed this to an issue of long hair. Long hair is only a SIDELINE issue, and used as NATURE'S SUPPORT EXAMPLE for the veil.
I am in the throes of moving today so I am very limited in my response.
When the text says that long hair is a covering, from NATURE's TEACHING, it is saying nothing about hair replacing veils. It is simply saying that nature's example of why a woman should wear a man made veiling of some sort is the fact that a natural veil of long hair suits a woman and not a man. Since natural veils of long hair look good on a woman, Paul is saying that confirms from NATURE that a woman ought to be covered with a veil and not a man. Nature is only one support proof for the veil among the others Paul listed previous to this.
My only thoughts about this are that this symbol is not recognized here in North America as it is in the middle east. So I think it is a moot issue to a degree. But it is not focusing on long hair at all. Long hair was only nature's example for a veiling. The issue is a veil.
I claim it is north american ignorance of the eastern custom of veils, here, that has changed this to an issue of long hair. Long hair is only a SIDELINE issue, and used as NATURE'S SUPPORT EXAMPLE for the veil.
I can't help but wonder, if a man is defined as uncovered by not having long hair and must remove it or be considered covered, why is a woman not considered covered by having long hair, or am I misunderstanding something?
It's like those who say a woman has long hair only if it's uncut, but a man with cut hair to his shoulders still has long hair.
Is hair a covering at all?
And I understand about being pressed for time. I've been quite busy myself and still am!
I helped LadyRev move recently, so I totally understand!
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I can't help but wonder, if a man is defined as uncovered by not having long hair and must remove it or be considered covered, why is a woman not considered covered by having long hair, or am I misunderstanding something?
From our perspective, you are missing something here.
A man is not uncovered by removing hair, but rather by not wearing an actual veil. Hair is not an issue here, but just supportive of the veil argument Paul is making. Uncovering the head is not removing hair for either man nor woman. It is removing the veil.
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It's like those who say a woman has long hair only if it's uncut, but a man with cut hair to his shoulders still has long hair.
Is hair a covering at all?
It is only mentioned as NATURE'S EXAMPLE of a covering. that is why Pau lasks, "Does not even nature itself teach you?" The teaching is about the veil.
Paul said the angels teach us, and cretive order teaches. So does nature. Natural long hair is only an example. Since the appearance of long natural hair on a man is shameful, this is a hint from nature that a man ought not wear a veil.
This is something only done during prayer and prophesying telling us it cannot be hair, otherwise if it was hair, it would be said for ALL TIME. COVER is a verb. A woman cannot do any action for times of prayer or prophesying to cover her head if it is spekaing about hair. But if it is a veil, as we say it is, then it all makes sense.
From our perspective, you are missing something here.
A man is not uncovered by removing hair, but rather by not wearing an actual veil. Hair is not an issue here, but just supportive of the veil argument Paul is making. Uncovering the head is not removing hair for either man nor woman. It is removing the veil.
It is only mentioned as NATURE'S EXAMPLE of a covering. that is why Pau lasks, "Does not even nature itself teach you?" The teaching is about the veil.
Paul said the angels teach us, and cretive order teaches. So does nature. Natural long hair is only an example. Since the appearance of long natural hair on a man is shameful, this is a hint from nature that a man ought not wear a veil.
This is something only done during prayer and prophesying telling us it cannot be hair, otherwise if it was hair, it would be said for ALL TIME. COVER is a verb. A woman cannot do any action for times of prayer or prophesying to cover her head if it is spekaing about hair. But if it is a veil, as we say it is, then it all makes sense.
So am I correct in saying that you don't preach against long hair on men because that's not the issue, or what?
Just trying to feel out some things I've missed in previous conversations.
And how do you feel overall about the article? This was sent to me and I have not perused the other links, and I have no idea who the author is.
I'm getting ready for a nap, as I have to work 13 hours tonight. If I don't get back before work, I'll be here in the morning for a little while.
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