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Old 10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
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Mandatory Tipping

There is something happening at Restaurants (some, not all) in Canada where Tipping will be added to the bill.
Recently on a segment on talk radio the issue came up for discussion & it was said that while most people tip anyway regardless of the service it was understood that TIPS stands for To Insure Prompt Service!

If tipping becomes mandatory, it isn't a tip as in insuring prompt service, it is simply a sur charge pure and simple.

What say you?

Is it happening in the US?

Do you agree with it?

I think it is plain wrong.

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Old 10-14-2008, 03:14 PM
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

The only time I have seen tips added to the bill were times when we had a party of 8 or more.

A lot of restaurants will have a sign up that says X amount gratuity on parties of 8 or more.
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Old 10-14-2008, 03:18 PM
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

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The only time I have seen tips added to the bill were times when we had a party of 8 or more.

A lot of restaurants will have a sign up that says X amount gratuity on parties of 8 or more.
Then it isn't a tip but a surcharge.

Do you agree with that?
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Old 10-14-2008, 03:23 PM
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Then it isn't a tip but a surcharge.

Do you agree with that?
I do agree that it is, then, a surcharge and I don't agree with mandatory tipping although I am little more apt to go along with it in the situation where you have a large party.

A large party requires a lot of attention and I have found that Pentecostals can be among the most demanding patrons and, after that, some of the worst tippers.

When I am part of a large party I try to watch and make sure that the tip was sufficient for the amount of work required to wait our table.

Waiters & waitresses are paid an hourly rate that is lower than minimum wage because tips are considered part of their income.

My wife worked as a waitress and was paid $2.50 per hour back when the regular minimum wage was around $5.

So... I am very watchful of the tip and I consider my behavior and my tip amount to be part of my witness as a Christian...

But I am not for mandatory tipping.
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Old 10-14-2008, 03:26 PM
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I do agree that it is, then, a surcharge and I don't agree with mandatory tipping although I am little more apt to go along with it in the situation where you have a large party.

A large party requires a lot of attention and I have found that Pentecostals can be among the most demanding patrons and, after that, some of the worst tippers.

When I am part of a large party I try to watch and make sure that the tip was sufficient for the amount of work required to wait our table.

Waiters & waitresses are paid an hourly rate that is lower than minimum wage because tips are considered part of their income.

My wife worked as a waitress and was paid $2.50 per hour back when the regular minimum wage was around $5.

So... I am very watchful of the tip and I consider my behavior and my tip amount to be part of my witness as a Christian...

But I am not for mandatory tipping.

I agree 100% with the parts in bold!
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Old 10-14-2008, 04:15 PM
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

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I do agree that it is, then, a surcharge and I don't agree with mandatory tipping although I am little more apt to go along with it in the situation where you have a large party.

A large party requires a lot of attention and I have found that Pentecostals can be among the most demanding patrons and, after that, some of the worst tippers.

When I am part of a large party I try to watch and make sure that the tip was sufficient for the amount of work required to wait our table.

Waiters & waitresses are paid an hourly rate that is lower than minimum wage because tips are considered part of their income.

My wife worked as a waitress and was paid $2.50 per hour back when the regular minimum wage was around $5.

So... I am very watchful of the tip and I consider my behavior and my tip amount to be part of my witness as a Christian...

But I am not for mandatory tipping.
Here lies the problem in my opinion. Restaurants must have some pretty effective lobbyists. There are plenty of businesses that are in the service industry. I don't see why restaurants should be allowed to pay their people less than half of the minimum wage in some instances and basically demand that the consumer directly pay the majority of their payroll.
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Old 10-14-2008, 04:22 PM
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Here lies the problem in my opinion. Restaurants must have some pretty effective lobbyists. There are plenty of businesses that are in the service industry. I don't see why restaurants should be allowed to pay their people less than half of the minimum wage in some instances and basically demand that the consumer directly pay the majority of their payroll.
Restaurants which have a no tipping policy DO come under the federal wage requirements.

And most waitresses end up making FAR above that.

It's a matter of choice. When I am on a budget I take such things into consideration about where I am going to eat, it's part of the price...
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

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Here lies the problem in my opinion. Restaurants must have some pretty effective lobbyists. There are plenty of businesses that are in the service industry. I don't see why restaurants should be allowed to pay their people less than half of the minimum wage in some instances and basically demand that the consumer directly pay the majority of their payroll.
I agree with you.
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:28 PM
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Here lies the problem in my opinion. Restaurants must have some pretty effective lobbyists. There are plenty of businesses that are in the service industry. I don't see why restaurants should be allowed to pay their people less than half of the minimum wage in some instances and basically demand that the consumer directly pay the majority of their payroll.
Exactly! I think it is wrong of the government to allow waiters/waitresses to make less than minimum wage. However, if restaurants were suddenly told they had to pay minimum wage to their servers, all the menu prices would double in price. Kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

I am a firm believer in tipping well because I don't want to be a bad reflection on the church. My standard tip amount is 20 - 25%. The restaurants I frequent serve me very well oftentimes giving me free appetizers, desserts, etc. On the other hand, I don't like the mandatory tipping. If they add their 15% because I have eight people at my table, then they will only get 15%. I let them know they just shortchanged themselves by forcing their tip on me.
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Here lies the problem in my opinion. Restaurants must have some pretty effective lobbyists. There are plenty of businesses that are in the service industry. I don't see why restaurants should be allowed to pay their people less than half of the minimum wage in some instances and basically demand that the consumer directly pay the majority of their payroll.
My thoughts exactly. If they think their waitstaff is worth more, they should pay them more...and let the consumer decide if they're worth a bonus.

We are good tippers...however, I HATE it when the restaurant automatically includes a tip for large parties. Usually they charge 15-18%, in which case, the waiter missed out, since we tip more than that. (We do sometimes add to it for really good service--but it irritates me that I'm being *forced* to do something I was already going to do anyway.)

Tipping should remain good etiquette, but it shouldn't be mandatory--or expected, even when the service is bad.
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