redefining hollness & foot washing

areyourucky · #1 01-04-2009, 03:43 PM

seems like things keep getting redefined. I the 1980s we left a church because holyness went out the window,, then 8 years later the same thing happened to our new church.Is there any more holyness churches left, and proud they are. Seems holyness can be preached well in smaller churches,but once membership gets over 200, then things change. they say it is not about numbers, and i know no one wants people to leave. But the bible says many are called, but few are chossen. Why have many members, but no one is commited. I noticed that hardly any churches any more have alters, and no one does foot washing any more, espeically in large churches. The larger the church, the better chance of no alters and no foot washing. If there are no more alters. I noticed many churches get rid of the alters, now to make room for large , high and lifted up platforms to seat men of honour, and great preforming praise singers.

BadgerBoysMom · #2 01-04-2009, 03:50 PM

the church I attend runs over 350 and standards is still preached. I don't remember when we last did footwashing. But yep we have the high and lifted platform with the specially assigned chairs for the "Bishop" and Pastor.

KWSS1976 · #3 01-05-2009, 11:04 AM

So holyness and standards are the same thing? First post says holiness second post says standards.

KWSS1976 · #4 01-05-2009, 11:07 AM

O thats right I forgot we are in a apostolic/upc fourm so if a women or man does not agree with the standards of the upc they are not holy anymore..and you wonder why when you ask someone to come to chuch with you and you say you are pentecostal they run the other way.......

kritter3 · #5 01-22-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

O thats right I forgot we are in a apostolic/upc fourm so if a women or man does not agree with the standards of the upc they are not holy anymore..and you wonder why when you ask someone to come to chuch with you and you say you are pentecostal they run the other way.......

You said it! Holiness, without which, no man shall see the Lord! Better join the UPC!

MomOfADramaQn · #6 01-22-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by areyourucky

seems like things keep getting redefined. I the 1980s we left a church because holyness went out the window,, then 8 years later the same thing happened to our new church.Is there any more holyness churches left, and proud they are. Seems holyness can be preached well in smaller churches,but once membership gets over 200, then things change. they say it is not about numbers, and i know no one wants people to leave. But the bible says many are called, but few are chossen. Why have many members, but no one is commited. I noticed that hardly any churches any more have alters, and no one does foot washing any more, espeically in large churches. The larger the church, the better chance of no alters and no foot washing. If there are no more alters. I noticed many churches get rid of the alters, now to make room for large , high and lifted up platforms to seat men of honour, and great preforming praise singers.

If you go to a growing church there are obviously new converts there that are going to look "holy" according to your standards. So if everyone looks "holy" maybe they are not doing much to try to reach those that need to hear about Jesus.

Truthseeker · #7 01-22-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by areyourucky

seems like things keep getting redefined. I the 1980s we left a church because holyness went out the window,, then 8 years later the same thing happened to our new church.Is there any more holyness churches left, and proud they are. Seems holyness can be preached well in smaller churches,but once membership gets over 200, then things change. they say it is not about numbers, and i know no one wants people to leave. But the bible says many are called, but few are chossen. Why have many members, but no one is commited. I noticed that hardly any churches any more have alters, and no one does foot washing any more, espeically in large churches. The larger the church, the better chance of no alters and no foot washing. If there are no more alters. I noticed many churches get rid of the alters, now to make room for large , high and lifted up platforms to seat men of honour, and great preforming praise singers.

Alters are tradition, the mian thing is to have an alter within.

Foot washing can be debated if it's for today, but that's another can of worms.

Truthseeker · #8 01-22-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BadgerBoysMom

the church I attend runs over 350 and standards is still preached. I don't remember when we last did footwashing. But yep we have the high and lifted platform with the specially assigned chairs for the "Bishop" and Pastor.

You have a bishop and a pastor??