Arnold Murray - Shephard's Chapel - Trinity

[MrsMcD]

Has anyone heard of Arnold Murray? I stumbled across him and found that he doesn't believe in three separate persons. I find this interesting.

"Trinity

Murray and his followers deny the biblical doctrine of the Trinity, that one God exists eternally in three Persons. They instead teach modalism, the concept that the monotheistic God is a single person who acts through three different offices.10 Murray voices his adherence to this teaching when he says that God "gots (sic) three offices he serves."11 He elaborates:

You have these yo-yo's that will say, 'Well, I want you to think like (sic) of water and ice' and so on, various gases or so forth, or then they'll say, 'I want you to think of a 200 watt bulb, and a 150 watt bulb, and a 50 watt bulb.' Well, they're all the same wattage, friend. So why not just simplify it instead of playing stupid games, and understand that there are three offices of the Godhead. Like this little lady said. She said, 'To my husband I am a wife, to my children I am a mother, that's my office. To hundreds of third graders I am their teacher and have been down through the years. That's a different office; none of them the same, but I'm still the same person.' I like that. It's simple and to the point.12

Notice the implication of the example quoted by Murray. Just as the "little lady" is one woman who performs different functions in her roles as wife, mother, and teacher, so God is a single person who performs different functions and is perceived in different ways in his roles as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Murray clarifies his conflation of deity when he states, "[Christ's] spirit is holy and he is the Holy Spirit."13 Since Murray does not believe that Jesus Christ is a Person distinct from the other members of the Trinity, he cannot justifiably claim to believe that Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God. Oropeza accurately observes that it is thus inconsistent for Murray to promote such a teaching and to also say, "A wise man never discusses the Trinity."14"

http://www.watchman.org/profile/murraypro.htm

[iceniez]

False prophet

[drummerboy_dave]

I've seen some of his shows and have liked some of what I've seen. He conducts a verse by verse bible study and tells it like he sees it. Gotta love that!

He answers letters near the end of his show. That can get a little dicey as people's questions as well as people's opinions can get pretty weird, sometimes.

I think he and his son share duties and I think they have a baptist church in Arkansas.

[Scott Hutchinson]

For your info.
http://www.carm.org/religious-moveme...epherds-chapel

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.carm.org/religious-moveme...epherds-chapel

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave

I've seen some of his shows and have liked some of what I've seen. He conducts a verse by verse bible study and tells it like he sees it. Gotta love that!

He answers letters near the end of his show. That can get a little dicey as people's questions as well as people's opinions can get pretty weird, sometimes.

I think he and his son share duties and I think they have a baptist church in Arkansas.

I was wondering what religion he is.

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/index.cfm

[MrsMcD]

I read that Murray's view of the trinity is like the Oneness Pentecostals. He seems to be put down for his view on the trinity being oneness instead of trinitarian.

[drummerboy_dave]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I read that Murray's view of the trinity is like the Oneness Pentecostals. He seems to be put down for his view on the trinity being oneness instead of trinitarian.

That shouldn't suprise you. Anytime one leaves the mainline view, those in the mainline will criticize him. The trinitarians share that trait with us oneness folk.

[Praxeas]

He is very anti-Pentecostal