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Old 05-14-2010, 06:47 PM
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Vindication

I had an experience this week that got me to thinking about this topic; has anyone else ever been vindicated in a very large way, a looooooong time after the original situation.

I know that it is not scriptural, or even very Christian... but in my humble opinion, while being somewhat pleasing, it wasn't nearly as gratifying as it would have been, way back when...

Also, it was somewhat private, so that also took a lot of pleasure out of it! I got a second party message from someone who was deeply involved in one of the most traumatic events in my life, one where I had nothing but egg on my face, and was perceived to be the total bad guy. All these years later, there is now apparently a complete consensus that I was right all along...

OK, I have totally exposed my complete carnality, but it really bugs me!
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Old 05-14-2010, 06:50 PM
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Re: Vindication

I will repay, says the Lord...

Vengeance, etc. belongs to God. If we "get even" ourselves, not only have we sinned, but we are left unsatisfied. It doesn't take care of the situation.
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Old 05-14-2010, 06:54 PM
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I will repay, says the Lord...

Vengeance, etc. belongs to God. If we "get even" ourselves, not only have we sinned, but we are left unsatisfied. It doesn't take care of the situation.
Well, I have never gotten even, and I have really never tried to be vindicated in the situation, I just left it behind me. I'm just saying that it eventually happened without any involvement from me, and it wasn't very fulfilling.

Just being honest...
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Old 05-14-2010, 07:08 PM
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Well, I have never gotten even, and I have really never tried to be vindicated in the situation, I just left it behind me. I'm just saying that it eventually happened without any involvement from me, and it wasn't very fulfilling.

Just being honest...
Yes, it'd be nice if our vindications were as public and widespread as our perceived failings.
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Old 05-14-2010, 07:27 PM
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Yes, it'd be nice if our vindications were as public and widespread as our perceived failings.
Amen!

often by the time others will actually admit that you were right, the issue has stopped being an issue to anyone else. And though it is somewhat affirming to hear them say you were right, it doesn't make up for all the pain and grief you went through when the situation took place.

The problem with waiting for someone to eat crow is that they often wait and slowly starve the bird before cooking it... while we would have prefered to shove it down their throats still kicking!

(At least, that was the case for me.)
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Old 05-14-2010, 07:55 PM
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Vindication is not vengeance
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thanks. I don't pay attention. What I get for skimming over a post.
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thanks. I don't pay attention. What I get for skimming over a post.
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Yeah, thanks! Not the same thing at all. I guess he misunderstood me.
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I have had similar vindications. The most prominent thing that I see however, is that the same lunkheads who were pointing the finger at you all along are just too thick to understand the vindication when it arrives. For them, it's just another "trial" to endure.

The ability to connect the dots and see the bigger picture is not something that I've seen in Pentecostal/Apostolic churches a lot. I'm not trying to get a dig against "us" in here; it's just that this is the group that I have been most closely associated with in matters of personal worth and vindication, if vindication ever comes.

I had one philandering evangelist set the stage for me to be fired and run out of the church. When he was through using the church 13 weeks later and ran off with his secretary (so cliché), even the pastor who was privy to the adultery all along wasn't interested in seeing me vindicated. He was primarily worried that I would "spill the beans" and kept the ban against me in force. No real vindication there, though that represent what was perhaps the greatest trial of my life. Even though that church doesn't even exist any more, the official ban was never publicly lifted. I was allowed to come back for a while, but the lies and hypocrisy proved too much for me. They bitterly and falsely accused me in front witnesses, but then they thought that I'd be happy just "sneaking back in."

I'm glad for you Dee. Vindication is sweet. But ultimately, we all really have to lean very heavily upon Jesus Christ being the justifier and the vindicator of us all.

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