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04-13-2008, 03:13 PM
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Prosperity is not the only reason to give
Prosperity preaching has its place to a degree. Jesus said that if we forsake houses and lands in this life we shall receive the same back one hundred fold IN THIS LIFE. He did say it. But, the prosperity preaching seems to lean towards a one track mind.
I recently flipped through some TV channels and saw Mike Murdock, for several days in a row, talking about nothing except how much people will get back money in many many manners simply because they gave money. You know, the old thing that turns sinners off so much from TV preachers. It was nauseating. I believe God has and will do this! But that is all these guys talk about! They make it to the the ultimate message anyone can preach. Unbelievable.
Anyway, I thought of something. Jesus came out on the short end of the stick if we give for the sole purpose of receiving back again to ourselves. He gave His LIFE for every single person who would ever live and who has ever lived. But how many will end up saved? (Now, you know what I think about Universal Reconciliation -- it's wrong! lol) A very FEW ever find the strait and narrow way. A MINORITY.
The HIGHEST form of giving is known as AGAPE/LOVE giving. Giving to not expect anything back. The cross showed THAT form of giving.
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04-13-2008, 03:35 PM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
Amen. I have absolutely no tolerance for the "Prosperity Message". Not Biblical.
Blessings, Rhoni
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04-13-2008, 04:03 PM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Prosperity preaching has its place to a degree. Jesus said that if we forsake houses and lands in this life we shall receive the same back one hundred fold IN THIS LIFE. He did say it. But, the prosperity preaching seems to lean towards a one track mind.
I recently flipped through some TV channels and saw Mike Murdock, for several days in a row, talking about nothing except how much people will get back money in many many manners simply because they gave money. You know, the old thing that turns sinners off so much from TV preachers. It was nauseating. I believe God has and will do this! But that is all these guys talk about! They make it to the the ultimate message anyone can preach. Unbelievable.
Anyway, I thought of something. Jesus came out on the short end of the stick if we give for the sole purpose of receiving back again to ourselves. He gave His LIFE for every single person who would ever live and who has ever lived. But how many will end up saved? (Now, you know what I think about Universal Reconciliation -- it's wrong! lol) A very FEW ever find the strait and narrow way. A MINORITY.
The HIGHEST form of giving is known as AGAPE/LOVE giving. Giving to not expect anything back. The cross showed THAT form of giving.
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GOD'S LOVE TO THE WORLD WILL NOT RETURN VOID, YOU PREACH A WEAK AND ANEMIC GOD!!
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04-13-2008, 08:37 PM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
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GOD'S LOVE TO THE WORLD WILL NOT RETURN VOID, YOU PREACH A WEAK AND ANEMIC GOD!!
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No sir! He preaches the God of the Bible, not the God of this world who says do what you want, live what you want, and in the end, all will go to Heaven, even if you have no faith in Christ. That is the God of this world, and He has been cast down under our feet!
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04-14-2008, 12:55 AM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
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GOD'S LOVE TO THE WORLD WILL NOT RETURN VOID, YOU PREACH A WEAK AND ANEMIC GOD!!
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Sorry, you are wrong.  You preach an unrighteous God. So there. nya nya. lol
God must be weak and anemic because He CAN turn the clouds to different colours every day, but He does not, just like he CAN save everyone who went to hell. Yeah right .
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04-14-2008, 10:50 PM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
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Sorry, you are wrong. You preach an unrighteous God. So there. nya nya. lol
God must be weak and anemic because He CAN turn the clouds to different colours every day, but He does not, just like he CAN save everyone who went to hell. Yeah right . |
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04-13-2008, 05:43 PM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Prosperity preaching has its place to a degree. Jesus said that if we forsake houses and lands in this life we shall receive the same back one hundred fold IN THIS LIFE. He did say it. But, the prosperity preaching seems to lean towards a one track mind.
I recently flipped through some TV channels and saw Mike Murdock, for several days in a row, talking about nothing except how much people will get back money in many many manners simply because they gave money. You know, the old thing that turns sinners off so much from TV preachers. It was nauseating. I believe God has and will do this! But that is all these guys talk about! They make it to the the ultimate message anyone can preach. Unbelievable.
Anyway, I thought of something. Jesus came out on the short end of the stick if we give for the sole purpose of receiving back again to ourselves. He gave His LIFE for every single person who would ever live and who has ever lived. But how many will end up saved? (Now, you know what I think about Universal Reconciliation -- it's wrong! lol) A very FEW ever find the strait and narrow way. A MINORITY.
The HIGHEST form of giving is known as AGAPE/LOVE giving. Giving to not expect anything back. The cross showed THAT form of giving.
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Am I wrong to question whether this even implies money and material wealth in this life??? These TV solicitors make no secret of the promise of high dollar dividends.
Christ gave all. He rose triumphant in this life, but show me the money...
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04-13-2008, 06:35 PM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
In "Christianity" we now preach a doctrine about giving that is a 180 degree reversal of the biblical postition. We have evolved from a doctrine that "it is better to give than to receive" to a doctrine of "give so you can receive".
This is just another sad example of the selfishness that has replaced selflessness in society and sadly in the church as well.
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04-13-2008, 07:06 PM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
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In "Christianity" we now preach a doctrine about giving that is a 180 degree reversal of the biblical postition. We have evolved from a doctrine that "it is better to give than to receive" to a doctrine of "give so you can receive".
This is just another sad example of the selfishness that has replaced selflessness in society and sadly in the church as well.
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The guilt trip is then played. Why do you not want to use the economy of God?
Tell me what family is in need.
What family is facing a medical crisis.
Give me a good place to put my seed.
Not just into a plate that in most cases we have not idea where it is going.
I want my seed of faith to directly bless someone in need.
Someone the church has overlooked.
We are told to watch our giving to other charities..
Why not the church...
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04-13-2008, 08:02 PM
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Re: Prosperity is not the only reason to give
POST OF THE DAY
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Originally Posted by tstew
In "Christianity" we now preach a doctrine about giving that is a 180 degree reversal of the biblical postition. We have evolved from a doctrine that "it is better to give than to receive" to a doctrine of "give so you can receive".
This is just another sad example of the selfishness that has replaced selflessness in society and sadly in the church as well.
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