USA Moving Closer to Nazi-style Totalitarianism?

[TRFrance]

In a new book, Hilmar von Campe, an ex-member of the Hitler Youth is warning that America is moving closer to Nazi-style totalitarianism:

"It took me a long time to understand and define the nature of National Socialism," says von Campe. "And, unfortunately, their philosophy continues to flourish under different labels remaining a menace to America and free human society."

"Democratic procedures can be subverted and dishonest politicians are like sand in the gearbox, abundant, everywhere and destructive," he writes. "What I see in America today is people painting their cabins while the ship goes down. Today in America we are witnessing a repeat performance of the tragedy of 1933 when an entire nation let itself be led like a lamb to the Socialist slaughterhouse. This time, the end of freedom is inevitable unless America rises to her mission and destiny."

Von Campe says he sees spiritual parallels among Americans and his childhood Germany.

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[bkstokes]

If this is the case, Spain, France, Germany, and England are more than 20 years ahead of us. I think that these comments belong on Fox network.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

If this is the case, Spain, France, Germany, and England are more than 20 years ahead of us. I think that these comments belong on Fox network.

Ok, and your point is... what?

So maybe those countries are indeed 20 years ahead of us... But that doesn't mean the USA is not heading in a Socialistic direction. German Nazism (National Socialism) was nothing but an extreme form of Socialistic ideology.

The fact is, history shows us that Socialism takes power out of the hands of the people and puts it in the hands of government. Once government gets that power, it is very reluctant to give any of it back. Once this kind of creeping socialism begins, there's no telling where it will end up. I'm sure 20 years before Hitler and the National Socialists rose to power, no one thought Germany would end up going the direction it did.

Personally, I think the author is making some very valid points, although his words will probably largely fall on deaf ears.

[bkstokes]

TR France

Do you think the practices of Acts 4 were capitalistic or socialistic?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

TR France

Do you think the practices of Acts 4 were capitalistic or socialistic?

There you go... I guess I should have seen that one coming.
I've heard the Acts 4 argument before, and I consider it an invalid comparison.

Saints willingly sharing their goods with each other is not comparable to a top-down, government imposed Socialistic system that is imposed on a nation.

[bkstokes]

Nevertheless, capitalism is based on a consumer market. Greed is the motor of the consumer market.

I by no means believe that the kingdom of God can be established by any man-made government. However, the care of your neighbor is closer to the heart of God then buying all you can get in this world is.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

Nevertheless, capitalism is based on a consumer market. Greed is the motor of the consumer market.

I by no means believe that the kingdom of God can be established by any man-made government. However, the care of your neighbor is closer to the heart of God then buying all you can get in this world is.

Is greed the motor of the consumer market, or is it individualism?
Many liberals and socialists will decry free-market economies as being based on 'greed', not surprisingly.

But most societies around the world are, and have been, based on the free market, which you might call "capitalism". One such example is the Old Testament society of Israel, which was also based on free-market consumerism. God condemned many sins in the Bible , but he never condemned Israel or any society for being based on the free-market.

Anyway, frankly, your posts are actually missing the central point of the original post. The Nazi totalitarianism (National Socialism) that the author is talking about has nothing do with "taking care of your neighbor". It has little or nothing to do with economics, in fact. It has more to do with totalitarian government control, and taking away of individual liberty. THAT is the hallmark of Nazi totalitarianism, and authoritarian Socialist governments in general. . That, the author contends, is something that may be coming to America one day. And personally, I think he might be right.

[bkstokes]

The reason why I didn't address your main point is because I find it along the lines of "1984". George Orwell wrote his book because he feared that England would end up like Hitler's Germany. I personally see a stark difference between the polices of our future leadership and those which were instituted by Hitler's regime.

[bkstokes]

As a side point to your above comment, Usury is considered in a very negative light in the Bible. Most of our "free market" society as you would call it is based on this very practice. If credit card rates and the such could not be classified as usury, I do not know what would.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

The reason why I didn't address your main point is because I find it along the lines of "1984". George Orwell wrote his book because he feared that England would end up like Hitler's Germany. I personally see a stark difference between the polices of our future leadership and those which were instituted by Hitler's regime.

I think Barak Obama is a closet marxist with a real desire to change American drastically into the mold of what those 1960's radicals raised him to believe it should be.....

But I dont believe he is a Nazi. Nor do I believe he wants to abandon the principles of democracy. In fact, I think BO embraces democracy and believes it is a great tool in changing America.

I dont think he wants t o curtail freedom. I just think he wants to flaten society. By flaten, I mean make the difference between the bottom and top of society much more close than it is now. (not smash although my working theory is that the first will cause the second).


I really think it is waaaay too soon to talk about American becoming Nazi Germany. Now if he tries to duck reelection and still stay in power, or amend the constitution so he can stay in power, then we have a different discussion.