Location: Where God can see me and direct my path.
Posts: 30
Saints on Drugs II
@Peace Presents...
Saints on Drugs II: Want a Label or "God is Able"?
So, not for sale said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by NotforSale
I'm amazed how so many in the Christian world have accepted the diagnostic fraud proposed and used by Psychiatry. We must educate ourselves concerning this wretched approach to help people who are not "feeling" quite right.
I have studied brain development from a medical and psychological perspective, spent untold hours counseling people, and have served God for the last 28 years. Never have I seen such a reproach of deceit in the Church, using drugs to bring a person back to normality.
One of the Churches we recently attended was staggered by this lie. My wife was told, almost every adult female in the Church was on anti-depressant medication. My heart was grieved to find out that scores of our young children and young adults are on medications designed to "Balance" their brain deficiency.
I don't quite understand why so many have given in to these medical scams. Research supports, without question, the danger and the dark reasons why America is being "Drugged". Pharmaceutical companies and paid off doctors have dupped God fearing people into believing they need these chemicals to survive and be normal. If we don't rise up and reclaim God's Word as the Book of True Medicine for the mind, we will send our future generation into the slums of drug addiction.
When I was saved, I was a drug addict. My mind was altered, and conceiving spiritual things in this illusional state was almost impossible. God's Word gave me comfort, letting me know a sober mind was a godly mind. His voice would ring clear and His counsel would lead me in the paths of righteousness. He could touch my mind, my heart, and my soul with a peace that passes all understanding, despite the fact I grew up in an alcoholic home, filled with abuse. My job was to rid my body of chemical, and then fill my mind with His Word. It worked! And, it still works!
I don't want to get to long with this opening statement. I'll do my best to give more reason and rhyme in further responses to why we need to kiss the pharmy's goodbye, or else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b30iwhEw9ho
I hope this video has helped to stir dialog and further research. This is just the beginning of facts that can be found online concerning this subject.
Satan stands by, wanting to keep us at bay with inflicted thoughts and a craving for pills.
The Lord can set us free if we'll claim it. Lets run into His tower where we will be safe. He will restore our souls! Nothing is too hard for Him. All things are possible!
We need to run into this Valley and kill Golieth!
NFS
My questions for the panel:
1) What kind of drugs/meds are ok for Christians to use, and why?
2) When is the power of Jesus "not eneugh"?
3) Has anyone witnessed their local assembly sellout to the miracles of modern medicine?
Location: Where God can see me and direct my path.
Posts: 30
Re: Saints on Drugs II
Here's my spin, for those interested...
I'm with NotForSale. Drugs are an evil that have penetrated some parts of the church. As for Psychology and Psychiatry, ok, so there are a few interesting tid-bits here and there. I happen to love behavioral psychology, is that wrong? No, not in my opinion. I just say don't look to those Professors and doctors to deliver if you're one of those people they've labeled. As fascinating as the stuff may be, a "psychological problem" is really just a soul problem. Psychology is from the Greek word Psuche, which means soul. Psychology is the study of the soul. But the powerful, shed blood of Jesus the Christ saved our souls, and all sickness, depression, bitterness, anxiousness, loneliness, etc., you name it, is subject to that same power we have in Him. I think when we look to mainstream medicine for answers to our soul problems we are defiantly looking for the wrong physician to fix the wrong problem. Most soul conditions have spiritual roots that only scripture can reveal. I have a friend from Cuba, and she says that their magic is called Pharmakia, and it involves drugs (anyone interested in more should check out this website: www.pharmakia.org). Needless to say, Christians who have the power of the Holy Ghost have no reason or right under any circumstances to be using the magic prescribed by our modern witch doctors ("Take this, no don't worry about the spiritual side effects! Remember, you only came from pond scum, then turned into a superior monkey-man, your immune to spirituality... ehhhem... *that is, you will be after you take these, [Hehehe!!!]"). That's not to say all painkillers or medicines are wrong, even Paul said to take a little wine for your stomach if you were sick (1 Timothy 5:23), but I think we need to look carefully at what our people are on and why. I can guarantee you that most of the time the drugs are just masking the real problem, that ungodly, psychotic behavior is a sign of carnality. The medical racket's glossary of Latin labels and high-powered "medicines" are just another new guise of Satan to deceive the church into the same old confusion he's tried to bring for centuries. Satan doesn't want us to know we have POWER in the name of Jesus, and that we serve a God who looks at the amazing human body and perceives it's every function... But we do. When will the U.S. Church wake up and realize it?
And brother NotForSale, I've seen saints on drugs to and your right, it's weird and frightening. It's like they've lost their souls and these happy mellow space shots take their place. Talk about throwing up your hands and telling hell it's prevailing against you. Where that's happening, may God give grace and time because they won't be no drugs in heaven. We are not of them who draw back unto perdition (Hebrews 10:39). Thank Jesus for a sound mind.
This thread has both wrong questions and wrong pressupositions.
Only surgeons cure.
My little teaser is pain. If we have no blood test for pain, then the same pathetic logic says it doesn't exist. I am opposed to most psychotropic regimins and also notice most folks don't really go back to the source of many of these problems. I was recently told the number of kids under 6 on meds was increasing by 20% each year.
Pharmacia is the Greek word the bible translates as witchcraft.
Saints on Drugs II: Want a Label or "God is Able"?
So, not for sale said:
My questions for the panel:
1) What kind of drugs/meds are ok for Christians to use, and why?
Same drugs that non-Christians can use: Whatever works.
I agree that drugs are over-used, but there are also cases where they work fairly well. At least, their use is better than not treating the problem at all, when other options are ruled out. In psychiatry in particular, the over-use problem is probably worse than most any other field.
Quote:
2) When is the power of Jesus "not eneugh"?
Usually.
Quote:
3) Has anyone witnessed their local assembly sellout to the miracles of modern medicine?
No.
Quote:
4) Have you seen modern medicine destroy faith?
Not sure. I've seen modern medicine save lives, where "faith" wasn't helping -- my friend's recent heart transplant, e.g. I suppose seeing this kind of thing many times in my life had the effect of "destroying" my faith, in a way. At least, my faith is very different now than it was several years ago.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Location: Where God can see me and direct my path.
Posts: 30
Re: Saints on Drugs II
Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie
This thread has both wrong questions and wrong pressupositions.
Only surgeons cure.
My little teaser is pain. If we have no blood test for pain, then the same pathetic logic says it doesn't exist. I am opposed to most psychotropic regimins and also notice most folks don't really go back to the source of many of these problems. I was recently told the number of kids under 6 on meds was increasing by 20% each year.
Pharmacia is the Greek word the bible translates as witchcraft.
What "pressupositions" (huh?) are wrong here? Yes, my questions are a bit leading, but I'm looking for an answer. And I don't want to see a surgeon! Most Americans die in hospitals.
What are believers really supposed to do when they're sick? Why doesn't the prayer of faith work for some beleivers (are we only to assume there is not eneugh faith, or are their other factors involved, if so, what.)
And Timmy, I gotta say, you sound as dry as a backslid baptist.
This thread has both wrong questions and wrong pressupositions.
Only surgeons cure.
My little teaser is pain. If we have no blood test for pain, then the same pathetic logic says it doesn't exist. I am opposed to most psychotropic regimins and also notice most folks don't really go back to the source of many of these problems. I was recently told the number of kids under 6 on meds was increasing by 20% each year.
Pharmacia is the Greek word the bible translates as witchcraft.
This is an excellent point! And also the main reason that those against ANY use of psychiatric drugs give to "prove" that they really don't do anything useful.
I feel that they are WAY overperscribed, but also don't discount their effectiveness in certain cases.
I believe that alot of the "physciatric diseases" are hogwash. ADHD, Bi-Polar, chemical imbalance, etc.
People who have those "problems" need Jesus. And if someone is a Christian with a "phscyological disorder" (sp), then instead of taking the carnal way out and taking pills to help wiht nerves, to help sleep, etc. They need to go to the root of the problem, and go to God in prayer. I believe it goes back to laziness, to lazy to pray, to lazy to really seek God.
Remember, we are promised a sound mind, a right mind, and a peace that we world cannot give.
I don't believe in lunatick christians.
As for meds, what I preach from the pulpit is there is a difference in taking something for your phyiscal body and taking something for your spirit.
Ex. Anti-depressants are in place of what God promised, specifically a sound mind and peace. It is basically medicine for your soul, to put a band-aid on your problems, not unlike alchohol. Where as, if you ate mexican food, and the fajitas don't sit right, if you take a teaspoon of pepto, you haven't sinned. It is a natural reaction, and that medicaine, can help you, without affecting your mental abililities.
Basically, I'm not against taking medicine for common problems we all will have, whihc is part of being in flesh-a headache, a stomachache, cold or flu symptoms, using neosporin on a cut, etc.
I am against anything that has to do with the mind, and also don't believe Christians should take sleep aids (with the exception of nyquil or something when you have the flu-but not on a regular basis.)
So, I'm don't preach against tylenol or rolaids, but certainly against zoloft, paxil, etc.
__________________
"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
I believe that alot of the "physciatric diseases" are hogwash. ADHD, Bi-Polar, chemical imbalance, etc.
People who have those "problems" need Jesus. And if someone is a Christian with a "phscyological disorder" (sp), then instead of taking the carnal way out and taking pills to help wiht nerves, to help sleep, etc. They need to go to the root of the problem, and go to God in prayer. I believe it goes back to laziness, to lazy to pray, to lazy to really seek God.
Remember, we are promised a sound mind, a right mind, and a peace that we world cannot give.
I don't believe in lunatick christians.
As for meds, what I preach from the pulpit is there is a difference in taking something for your phyiscal body and taking something for your spirit.
Ex. Anti-depressants are in place of what God promised, specifically a sound mind and peace. It is basically medicine for your soul, to put a band-aid on your problems, not unlike alchohol. Where as, if you ate mexican food, and the fajitas don't sit right, if you take a teaspoon of pepto, you haven't sinned. It is a natural reaction, and that medicaine, can help you, without affecting your mental abililities.
Basically, I'm not against taking medicine for common problems we all will have, whihc is part of being in flesh-a headache, a stomachache, cold or flu symptoms, using neosporin on a cut, etc.
I am against anything that has to do with the mind, and also don't believe Christians should take sleep aids (with the exception of nyquil or something when you have the flu-but not on a regular basis.)
So, I'm don't preach against tylenol or rolaids, but certainly against zoloft, paxil, etc.
So anything that has a side effect of "may cause drowsiness" is ok, but anything taken for the specific EFFECT of drowsiness (aka, sleep aid) is not?
Linear Mode
