The Backside to Submission

[ILG]

We have always heard it said that women must submit to their husbands and everyone to the pastor. Indeed, it was psychologically beat in.

I would like to look at the other side of the coin...the backside, if you will.

In the extreme, if philosophically (in the belief system) women are not equal to their husbands, must always submit, are possibly somehow inferior and people are also not equal to the pastor but must always submit and are possibly somehow spiritually inferior but in reality (real life) women are equal, mustn't always submit and aren't in any way inferior (and people to pastors likewise) then isn't there an awful lot of pressure placed upon husbands and pastors that is unrealistic?

There is always the pressure for people to submit as if that is a good thing. But what if the balance is truly lopsided and not only are women and people in general cheated from running their own lives and cheated from creatively being able to express who they are in what they do but on the flipside pastors and husbands are expected to perform under incredible pressure and always make the right decisions, this makes things ripe for a dysfunctional atmosphere.

I don't have a lot of time to discuss the issue as I am busy now in my advanced Anatomy and Physiology class (it's very intensive) but I would be interested in reading responses.

[iceniez]

And according to the people who are " under their care " Pastors and Husbands never make the right decisions.

[iceniez]

I guess it all is from perspective, and ones idea of submission . A true leader understands that People have talents and are capable of thought also that people are free to choose . That leader give freedom , The ones who are " Lords over the heritage " are not real leaders they are dictators and control is their goal, whether or not they realize it or not . Yes women are to submit according to scripture , but it also says we "all" are to submit one to another in LOVE. Therefore I also submit to my wife and do not do things intentionaly to upset her.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by iceniez

I guess it all is from perspective, and ones idea of submission . A true leader understands that People have talents and are capable of thought also that people are free to choose . That leader give freedom , The ones who are " Lords over the heritage " are not real leaders they are dictators and control is their goal, whether or not they realize it or not . Yes women are to submit according to scripture , but it also says we "all" are to submit one to another in LOVE. Therefore I also submit to my wife and do not do things intentionaly to upset her.

If a true leader does all this, why does submission even have to be taught? People LIKE this kind of leadership.

[coadie]

This may become interesting. In Genesis after the fall, the

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

When the man is to love the woman, it places tremendous restrictions on the word "rule"
When a woman first meets a man, many say they look for confidence and leadership. One that can plan and schedule a date. Can make up their mind. Metro sexual wussy males are not leaders and protection. Often males avoid klingy ladies.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by ILG

If a true leader does all this, why does submission even have to be taught? People LIKE this kind of leadership.

It depends HOW it is taught. I thinks mutual submission should be taught , Love is submission to the one that we love . Right ? I believe this is the Spirit and intent behind what God means in the scripture.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by iceniez

It depends HOW it is taught. I thinks mutual submission should be taught , Love is submission to the one that we love . Right ? I believe this is the Spirit and intent behind what God means in the scripture.

Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end... And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13

3 types of luv

Phileo
Agape
Eros

[ILG]

Originally Posted by iceniez

It depends HOW it is taught. I thinks mutual submission should be taught , Love is submission to the one that we love . Right ? I believe this is the Spirit and intent behind what God means in the scripture.

If mutual submission should be taught, why is there an emphasis on women submitting to husbands and people submitting to pastors?

[iceniez]

Look at Ephesians 5:22 - 33 along with the wife submitting. The Husband is told how he should act to her be tender and Love her as his own flesh.

[Sister Alvear]

I do not think God had dictator style leadership in mind...