Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-30-2011, 08:02 AM
jfrog's Avatar
jfrog jfrog is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 9,001
For the greater good?

Sometimes God is attributed as either doing or allowing something temporarily bad to happen so that something even better can come out of it. My question is if God can do this then can the devil do or allow something good to happen so that something even worse can come out of it?
__________________
You better watch out before I blitzkrieg your thread cause I'm the Thread Nazi now!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-30-2011, 08:19 AM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Re: For the greater good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfrog View Post
Sometimes God is attributed as either doing or allowing something temporarily bad to happen so that something even better can come out of it. My question is if God can do this then can the devil do or allow something good to happen so that something even worse can come out of it?
If you believe it's the devil that micromanages all things, then I suppose that may be a possibility. I don't, I think Satan is on a rather short leash in this present age.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-30-2011, 08:41 AM
jfrog's Avatar
jfrog jfrog is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 9,001
Re: For the greater good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoovie View Post
If you believe it's the devil that micromanages all things, then I suppose that may be a possibility. I don't, I think Satan is on a rather short leash in this present age.
Why can't those kind of actions be within the range of his leash?
__________________
You better watch out before I blitzkrieg your thread cause I'm the Thread Nazi now!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-30-2011, 08:49 AM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Re: For the greater good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfrog View Post
Why can't those kind of actions be within the range of his leash?
I suppose it's possible. The temptations of sin often involve pleasure (good?) while the greater end both here and in eternity is destruction.

However, I don't think a Christian needs to be concerned with this. We can rest in Jesus. He has it all in control.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-30-2011, 09:05 AM
jfrog's Avatar
jfrog jfrog is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 9,001
Re: For the greater good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoovie View Post
I suppose it's possible. The temptations of sin often involve pleasure (good?) while the greater end both here and in eternity is destruction.

However, I don't think a Christian needs to be concerned with this. We can rest in Jesus. He has it all in control.
Actually that's what I'm getting at: The Jew's of Jesus' day claimed he was of the devil. His response was that he couldn't be because he casted out devils. But you just told me that it's possible the devil could do good things like cast out devils in order to achieve some greater evil. Therefore, the Jew's accusation of Jesus' day still stands: how can one know Jesus was not of the devil?
__________________
You better watch out before I blitzkrieg your thread cause I'm the Thread Nazi now!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-30-2011, 09:31 AM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Re: For the greater good?

That's just weird. No the claim does not stand. Beelzebub won't be found casting out devils in the name and authority of Jesus Christ.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-30-2011, 09:34 AM
Amanah's Avatar
Amanah Amanah is offline
This is still that!


 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sebastian, FL
Posts: 9,783
Re: For the greater good?

you have a frog for your picture, how do we know you are not of the devil?


Revelation 16:13

13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
__________________
All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. ~Tolkien
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-30-2011, 09:35 AM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: For the greater good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoovie View Post
That's just weird. No the claim does not stand. Beelzebub won't be found casting out devils in the name and authority of Jesus Christ.
Too deceptive, even for him?
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-30-2011, 10:58 AM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: For the greater good?

Luckily, the Bible has a fool-proof method to find out if a spirit is of the devil or not. Just ask it one simple question!

"Is Jesus Christ come in the flesh?"

2 John 4:2,3

3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-30-2011, 11:15 AM
jfrog's Avatar
jfrog jfrog is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 9,001
Re: For the greater good?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
Too deceptive, even for him?
I think Hoovie just isn't skilled enough in the art of deception and manipulation
__________________
You better watch out before I blitzkrieg your thread cause I'm the Thread Nazi now!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is Grace Greater Than Sin? Cindy Fellowship Hall 13 02-05-2011 11:21 AM
Greater Sin Melody The Tab 3 04-12-2008 07:50 AM
Whose Heavenly Reward is Greater? Jekyll Fellowship Hall 5 12-15-2007 10:30 AM
Self Esteem... one of our Greater Battles... revrandy Deep Waters 44 03-09-2007 05:40 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.