This is true? Wow. I think this man really used wisdom....
Checked out to be true according to Truth or Fiction
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry. The man who walks with God always gets to his destination. If you have a pulse you have a purpose.
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs..
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: 'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'
I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'
He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'
I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine the Pope commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.Charles Stanley ordering all protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'
The Imam was speechless!
I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me!
'Let me ask you a question: Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the Diversification training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President!
I think everyone in the U..S. should be required to read this, but with ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us send it on! This is your chance to make a difference...
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Keep your religiousity and traditions and just give me Jesus
Knowing this to be contrary to the principles of Islam AND knowing that a well-groomed, educated, well-heeled christian minister could (probably) not resist making a dig at someone of another faith (especially someone who as it turns out is a locked up inmate who is helpless to answer anyway and was simply practicing his faith) I did some further research on this. Not to my surprise this is what I found:
Third-party accounts of the events in question paint a significantly different picture than the one offered by Mathes. (I am stunned - not) Tim Kniest, spokesman for the Missouri Department of Corrections, told the Lee news service that the training session in question was for prison volunteers and took place in a corrections facility in Fulton, MO. However, according to Kniest, prison officials' recollection of events that day differ from Mathes' in several aspects:
"Religious leaders representing faiths followed by current inmates were invited to present.
The presenter on Islam was not an Imam, but rather a Muslim inmate who was pressed into presenting after no Imam could be arranged.
Prison officials confirm that the Muslim inmate was asked a few questions that he was unable to answer, but none along the lines of those suggested by Mr. Mathes."
That's code for he was singled out, identified to be helpless, and browbeaten by a christian minister for no reason, and then chose to not answer. Kudos for that.
Mathes, however, maintains that his is an accurate account, using the facts he knew at the time, and did go into some more detail making the encounter seem less antagonistic than his original account (this is known as caught and in the South, the "crawfish maneuver".) Happens on this forum a LOT. "Facts he knew at the time"? Get real....
I wonder why independent witnesses, with no love for Islam, would paint this picture in a different way. If the Matthes version does not match the version of independent witnesses, what does that say about this "minister of christianity?"
Sez Matthes while doing spin control:
"I really asked the questions I needed to know the answers to and he did not respond as I thought he would have. I expected him to defend this "jihad" thing as rebel Muslims using religion to cloak their evil deed in."
Stealing a line from SNL "Really?" You "expected" what? He responded how? "Really"?
This email is an example of what again?
Want to browbeat a helpless Muslim? Here's your chance sport.
I don't care whether the account is true or false, my concern is whether this statement is true or false:
"I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?' "
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
I don't care whether the account is true or false, my concern is whether this statement is true or false:
"I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?' "
The statement is false. I spent 5 years in an Islamic country and I am still kicking, nobody tried to kill me and a lot of them did the opposite, became my friends.
Though I did get a couple of tomatoes thrown at me, but then my country was supplying their enemy with bombs and bullets. I would have thrown vegetables at me too.
That statement is without question false. Islam teaches no such thing.
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
I don't care whether the account is true or false, my concern is whether this statement is true or false:
"I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?' "
Islam does not teach "honor killings" either. No more than christianity teaches sunday school teachers to kill young girls and stuff them in suitcases.
Islam does not teach "honor killings" either. No more than christianity teaches sunday school teachers to kill young girls and stuff them in suitcases.
Which happens more often?
And when did anyone ever claim that the Bible does teach such a thing?
Are you saying people who convert from Islam in muslim contries are not in danger?
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It is a sad case. It is also more about culture and less about religion.
I made a flippant analogy between christians who do wrong things and muslims who do wrong things.
Churches practice freely in some muslim countries and are not allowed to practice at all in others. In some countries it is dangerous to be Muslim and in some countries it is dangerous to be christian.
As to what happens when - Christian ministers are caught with their pants down more often than young girls experience honor killings. The bible teaches that adulterers or witches or blasphemers are to be put to death. In the hands of literal interpretation this can be and has been used as an excuse or pretext for killing. aka "heresy". When either Islam or christianity is applied that way both are wrong. The bible teaches mercy and forgiveness. As does that Quran. The Quran mentions mercy more than it mentions penalty.
Those who have no mercy will show no mercy. Religion is an un-needed reason to become what one really is. Religion has been used as excuse and justification to kill both christians and muslims. Application of the actions to the few to the entire faith is wrong. On both sides.
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Which happens more often?
And when did anyone ever claim that the Bible does teach such a thing?
Are you saying people who convert from Islam in muslim contries are not in danger?
Islam does not teach "honor killings" either. No more than christianity teaches sunday school teachers to kill young girls and stuff them in suitcases.
Improbable comparison. The sunday school teacher did not kill in the name of or an interpretaion of Christianity. Honor killings cannot make that claim.
Are there nuts that claim to be Christians? Sure,. The KKK comes to mind, but Christian are VERY vocal against them and their attempt to "hijack" Chritianity. I do wish the average Muslim was as vocal against the radicals within the Muslim faith, so the rest of us might believe they all not really kind of for this extremism.
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