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David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or not?
David K. Bernard "We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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05-18-2011, 05:12 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
Yes.
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05-18-2011, 05:18 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
I agree, if he is not referring to "holiness standards aka man made rules on clothing and appearance." Would you still believe this statement biblical if what he was referring to when he says "holiness" are "man made rules regarding appearance"?
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05-18-2011, 05:17 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
I would like to hear the whole context of the message...at face value yes...to the point of being rude and abusive and having a holier than thou spirit no...
I love many things about the church and defend what I believe however kindness wins a lot more people than boasting or bragging...so it would all depend in what context...
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05-18-2011, 05:45 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
I agree Sister Alvear. I agree with him if it is not code speak for man made rules. Otherwise, this statement just seems divisive to me given the climate in the UPC right now.
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05-18-2011, 05:22 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by OfInterest
David K. Bernard "We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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At face value, I would say I agree. We should never compromise our convictions in order for us to have "harmonious relationships" with others. However, I find it necessary to withhold full agreement until I know what he's referring to as "holiness". By "holiness", is he referring to UPC "standards"? Standards do not always equal "holiness". The two terms are not necessarily the same.
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05-18-2011, 05:30 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
I agree with it, since he defines what he means by "holiness" in the second half of the statement:
"We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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05-18-2011, 06:18 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I agree with it, since he defines what he means by "holiness" in the second half of the statement:
"We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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Exactly. I thought it was self definitive. Nothing is more important than obeying God's will.
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05-19-2011, 08:44 AM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
At face value, I would say I agree. We should never compromise our convictions in order for us to have "harmonious relationships" with others. However, I find it necessary to withhold full agreement until I know what he's referring to as "holiness". By "holiness", is he referring to UPC "standards"? Standards do not always equal "holiness". The two terms are not necessarily the same.
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Exactly. I thought it was self definitive. Nothing is more important than obeying God's will.
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I agree with the statement for the reasons bolded above. Whether he was talking about "standards" or not, each has their own convictions, if convictions are to be defined as the will of God in our own personal lives the I agree with the statement in full.
Of course the harsh truth here is what anyone wants to make of it. That will depend on who you are and what attitudes you may have with UPC. Notice this same sentence.
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")
There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
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05-19-2011, 11:48 AM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by scotty
Notice this same sentence.
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")
There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
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