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Old 05-14-2007, 12:29 AM
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Divine revelation ?

Does all knowledge we get about God come from divine revelation? If so than how can He hold someone accountable for not obeying the plan of salvation if it was never revealed to them by God? If not than wouldn't that mean we're using our own reasoning to explain God?


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Old 05-14-2007, 12:30 AM
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Old 05-14-2007, 12:36 AM
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Does all knowledge we get about God come from divine revelation? If so than how can He hold someone accountable for not obeying the plan of salvation if it was never revealed to them by God? If not than wouldn't that mean we're using our own reasoning to explain God?


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This reminds me of a question I asked on NFCF, "Does God give every human being an equal opportunity to hear and obey the gospel in this life?" If we are only mildly observant the answer has to be, NO. At least not in the sense that OPs understand the gospel.
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This reminds me of a question I asked on NFCF, "Does God give every human being an equal opportunity to hear and obey the gospel in this life?" If we are only mildly observant the answer has to be, NO. At least not in the sense that OPs understand the gospel.
Nor in the sense as non OPs understand it
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Nor in the sense as non OPs understand it
Nor in the sense that Christians in general understand the gospel.
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:06 AM
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Without God given ability, we would not know our left hand from our right. All divine knowledge and wisdom comes from HIM, as does the natural ability to perceive.

He will "withold no good thing to them who walk uprightly." That includes the knowledge of Him. God continually works to bring all men to the saving knowledge of himself in mysterious ways that we cannot comprehend.

If the eyes of understanding are blind, being a veil upon the heart, it is because of rejection from the heart of some more fundamental understanding that would have led anyone to the greater understanding. It is called "walking in the light." It is called going on from "glory to glory."

"The path of the just is as a shining light that shineth more and more unto the perfect day."
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Old 05-14-2007, 10:32 AM
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Without God given ability, we would not know our left hand from our right. All divine knowledge and wisdom comes from HIM, as does the natural ability to perceive.

He will "withold no good thing to them who walk uprightly." That includes the knowledge of Him. God continually works to bring all men to the saving knowledge of himself in mysterious ways that we cannot comprehend.

If the eyes of understanding are blind, being a veil upon the heart, it is because of rejection from the heart of some more fundamental understanding that would have led anyone to the greater understanding. It is called "walking in the light." It is called going on from "glory to glory."

"The path of the just is as a shining light that shineth more and more unto the perfect day."
Bro. Strange,

Great Post! The scripture quoted was one my late father loved. I didn't

understand it when, as my pastor, he would quote it quite often. I have come

to better understand it as a more mature adult. I love it and it is one of my

favorites also, along with:

"The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth

the habitation of the just". Prov. 3:33



"The memory of the just is blessed: But the name of the wicked shall rot".

Prov. 10:7



Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the

LORD, that delighted greatly in his commandments. His seed (children) shall

be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed. Ps.

112:1,2



"Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the

seed of the righteous shall be delivered".


"Most men will proclaim everyone his own goodness,: but a faithful man

who can find"? Prov. 20:6



"The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him".

Prov. 20: 7



"And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vine-

yards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit;

they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days

of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They

shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed

(children) of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. And it

shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are

yet speaking, I will hear". Isaiah 65: 21-24


Who would not want to carry on the heritage of the just man, the righteous

man and the faithful man! The blessed man!

Ps. 14:5, ".....for God is in the generation of the righteous". God made man

to be upright and may provision for him to partake of His righteousness. He

provided the power for man to be able to do right. By looking to Him as a

loving Father to provide what we needed. Maybe we feel we do not have a

chance to be what we need to be to pass on to our children. Hey, it didn't

start with me, but what was given or passed on to me, I am desperately

endeavoring by the grace and mercy of God to pass it on to my children and

to support them in passing it on to their children. It started with my maternal

grandmother and her young son, my dad, who was 14 yrs old at the time.

(1933) Our grandchildren are fifth generation. Our oldest grandson, and the

only one married, will possibly start another generation, our great-grand-

children. He is assisting the pastor here. His great grandfather, my dad, who

founded this assembly, along with his dear wife (my mother) would be so

proud to know the work they laboured for so faithfully, while raising eleven

children, the youngest born the same year they started the work in 1958, is

continuing on!

That's the way it works, from family to family, from generation to generation.

I can assure you, old Noah wasn't worried about having just family on board!

May these words encourage someone today to get started on YOUR part in

making sure the "LORD remains in YOUR generation! Get busy! You've got work

to do, but you won't have to go it all alone, for He'll go with you, He'll go

with you. You won't have to go it all alone. Someone's already been down the

road before you!!! His Name is JESUS!!

Blessings,

Falla39

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Does all knowledge we get about God come from divine revelation? If so than how can He hold someone accountable for not obeying the plan of salvation if it was never revealed to them by God? If not than wouldn't that mean we're using our own reasoning to explain God?


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People will be lost because of their sins, and not obeying what truth God has revealed to them already.

Read Romans 1:18-20

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
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Old 05-14-2007, 01:40 PM
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People will be lost because of their sins, and not obeying what truth God has revealed to them already.

Read Romans 1:18-20

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Hear Hear Keith and I agree!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is coming!!!! Dan a couple of days ago now Keith. I am encouraged I have helped them next will be long sleeves.
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People will be lost because of their sins, and not obeying what truth God has revealed to them already.

Read Romans 1:18-20

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
So folks are saved as long as they walk in the light that the understand?
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