The Contention Between Oneness and Trinity Churches.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I found this and I thought this might strike up a good conversation here.
What do you think about this man's comments ?
http://unitedchristianchurch.com/node/64#comment-102

[ThePastorsCoach]

What is sad is that both LIE about what the other really believes. It is a shame and a disgrace.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

What is sad is that both LIE about what the other really believes. It is a shame and a disgrace.

in what way ?

LIE on purpose ??

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Thad

in what way ?

LIE on purpose ??

Sure they do - Do you know of ANYBODY that has the Holy Ghost that believes in "THREE GOD"S?

Do you know ANY Oneness that "denies the Father"?

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Sure they do - Do you know of ANYBODY that has the Holy Ghost that believes in "THREE GOD"S?

Do you know ANY Oneness that "denies the Father"?

My main contention is with quote-unquote Trinitarians or ministers like TD Jakes that insert "co-existant" or "co-eternal" into the Godhead.

I have a tape of TDJ preaching, during which he seems to be reading the UPC's doctrine of the Godhead . . . but suddenly inserts those two words into it.

I've read one or both of the same words on several big-name church websites I've visited.

I don't agree with the wording. Do we really believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to be co-existent or co-eternal?

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Sure they do - Do you know of ANYBODY that has the Holy Ghost that believes in "THREE GOD"S?

Do you know ANY Oneness that "denies the Father"?

It's only a lie if the person telling it knows it isn't true. Otherwise, it is simply a mistaken belief.

[H2H]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Sure they do - Do you know of ANYBODY that has the Holy Ghost that believes in "THREE GOD"S?

Do you know ANY Oneness that "denies the Father"?

Excellent Points.

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Sure they do - Do you know of ANYBODY that has the Holy Ghost that believes in "THREE GOD"S?

Do you know ANY Oneness that "denies the Father"?

Hello Atlanta,

Have I mistaken you or are you saying that people such as the Assemblies of God who're born again (John 3:5), indwelt by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9) adopted as Sons of God (Romans 8:14) and demonstrate gifts of the Holy Spirit are really lost and going to hell? is this what you are saying, or have I mistaken you? Can a person be indwelt and adopted as a Son of God and yet be going to hell? What about Luther, Spurgeon and John Wesley do you also see them as lost and in hell simply because they were Trinitarians? Is it any wonder why Oneness folk have earn't such a dreadful reputation since their inception for such pronouncements.

By the way Trinitarianism doesn't teach three Gods, we are the defenders of one God form way before Oneness began in 1913. (Nobody before this date taught Oneness as the occasional modalists thoughout Church history either used Matthew 28:19 as the baptismal formula or did not speak in tongues).

[ThePastorsCoach]

You did not answer my question!

Neither word - Trinity or Oneness - describes the Godhead.
They describe the divisional doctrines that MAN has written to divide the Body of Christ.

[Thad]

AB,

I see more annomosity from AoG and COG then from any other group.
I think it stems from the Original fallout back in the Yearly years and
fued was passed down for many generations. many cannot get it out of their heads that we are "jesus only" meaning that we deny any aspect of the father and HG.
I do realize and readily admit that some of the Oneness helped to create this too. I have had Trinitarian pentecostals tell me that they remember when Oneness people would come into their camp meetings and conferences and start helling " all of you are going to hell if you don't get baptized in JN".