Jesus' Plan of Salvation?

[seekerman]

What words of Jesus (the words in red) would you use to support His plan of salvation. I offer this passage that nobody wishes to discuss for some reason....

Joh 6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
Joh 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Joh 6:55 "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.
Joh 6:56 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.
Joh 6:58 "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

The plan of salvation?

[KeptByTheWord]

Are you trying to say that communion is part of what saves us?

I think Jesus is teaching here that unless we identify with him in his death and resurrection literally (baptism both water and spiritual) and symbolically (communion) we will have no part with him in eternity.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Are you trying to say that communion is part of what saves us?

I think Jesus is teaching here that unless we identify with him in his death and resurrection literally (baptism both water and spiritual) and symbolically (communion) we will have no part with him in eternity.

No, it seems that scripture indicates that communion results in eternal life.


Joh 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

Joh 6:57 "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

Joh 6:58 "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever."

Examining the plan of salvation as taught by Jesus is interesting.

[Praxeas]

Works based salvation?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Works based salvation?

Certainly looks like it, doesn't it?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Certainly looks like it, doesn't it?

Your interpretation does

[renee819]

Jesus came to,

1. Fulfill/finish the Law. It was still in effect until the Cross.

2. Send the Holy Ghost down, which came at Pentecost.

3. Therefore Jesus did not lay out a Plan of Salvation, except after Hie resurrection, He met with the Apostles and gave them commandments of how to set up the Church, for 40 days.. That is the reason that Peter is the spokes person, Peter was given the “Keys. (understanding) of the Kingdom.

4. To destroy the works of the Devil. They can only be destroyed by people that have been filled with the Holy Ghost, in their lives. And walking in truth.

It was impossible for Jesus to announce the Plan of Salvation, because the Holy Ghost, (in the form that we receive it today) could only come after He was glorified.

NO HOLY GHOST----NO SALVATION.

Therefore He and John could only announce, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand.” meaning the “Kingdom within” which is the Holy Ghost.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by renee819

Jesus came to,

1. Fulfill/finish the Law. It was still in effect until the Cross.

2. Send the Holy Ghost down, which came at Pentecost.

3. Therefore Jesus did not lay out a Plan of Salvation, except after Hie resurrection, He met with the Apostles and gave them commandments of how to set up the Church, for 40 days.. That is the reason that Peter is the spokes person, Peter was given the “Keys. (understanding) of the Kingdom.

4. To destroy the works of the Devil. They can only be destroyed by people that have been filled with the Holy Ghost, in their lives. And walking in truth.

It was impossible for Jesus to announce the Plan of Salvation, because the Holy Ghost, (in the form that we receive it today) could only come after He was glorified.

NO HOLY GHOST----NO SALVATION.

Therefore He and John could only announce, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand.” meaning the “Kingdom within” which is the Holy Ghost.

Jesus said eternal life was available through communion. I believe Jesus.

[KeptByTheWord]

The fact can't be denied that in 1 Cor. 11 we know the Gentile church in Corinth participated often enough in what Paul called communion, for there to be problems.

Paul mentions communion/the Lord's Supper in two different passages in 1 Corinthians...

1 Cor. 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? the bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 Cor. 10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body and we are all partakers of that one bread.

So Paul here was teaching the Corinthians how the symbolism of the communion they participated in, was to remind them how they were part of the body of Christ.

And again Paul teaches in 1 Cor. 11 the importance of what he had just called communion and also referred to as the Lord's Supper... how necessary it was to the body of believers.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Perhaps not having communion on a regular basis is part of what is wrong with the body of believers today? 1 Cor. 11:30 "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

The fact can't be denied that in 1 Cor. 11 we know the Gentile church in Corinth participated often enough in what Paul called communion, for there to be problems.

Paul mentions communion/the Lord's Supper in two different passages in 1 Corinthians...

1 Cor. 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? the bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 Cor. 10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body and we are all partakers of that one bread.

So Paul here was teaching the Corinthians how the symbolism of the communion they participated in, was to remind them how they were part of the body of Christ.

And again Paul teaches in 1 Cor. 11 the importance of what he had just called communion and also referred to as the Lord's Supper... how necessary it was to the body of believers.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Perhaps not having communion on a regular basis is part of what is wrong with the body of believers today? 1 Cor. 11:30 "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."

Yes, communion is so very very important in a Christian's life. Apparently it offers life changing power in the life of the believer.