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Old 07-23-2007, 10:43 AM
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Can A Muslim Be A Good American???

I received the below article in my email this morning. I thought it be worth sharing...


Wow, worth reading to the last sentence.
Think about this


Subject: Can A good Muslim Be a good American?????/

Better think about this long and hard.....

Can a Good Muslim be a Good American?

Interesting questions for the Muslim Community to discuss & for research on our part also.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon God of Arabia .

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 ).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.
Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christians God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Qurans 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish, its still the truth. You had better believe it!
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

And Barack Hussein Obama, a self-declared, one time Muslim, wants to be our President...
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:28 AM
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Good luck getting intelligent replies.

I've been asking this for years, but get no answers because folks are far too concerned about appearing insensitive to multiculturalism, which is nothing more than the latest name for the cultural destruction of America from within promised by the communists decades ago. Seems to be working . . .

This prose has some faulty reasoning, as it implies that all Muslims in America are fundamentalists. The truth is that the majority of them are here for the express reason that they could see that the emperor had, indeed, no clothes, and they want to improve their lot in life, and give their children a brighter future. They remain Muslim in practice, since they know nothing else and it is a taste of home, but by and large they are skeptical at heart of the very things on which this missive focuses.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:26 PM
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Good luck getting intelligent replies.

I've been asking this for years, but get no answers because folks are far too concerned about appearing insensitive to multiculturalism, which is nothing more than the latest name for the cultural destruction of America from within promised by the communists decades ago. Seems to be working . . .

This prose has some faulty reasoning, as it implies that all Muslims in America are fundamentalists. The truth is that the majority of them are here for the express reason that they could see that the emperor had, indeed, no clothes, and they want to improve their lot in life, and give their children a brighter future. They remain Muslim in practice, since they know nothing else and it is a taste of home, but by and large they are skeptical at heart of the very things on which this missive focuses.
I can only hope that you are right in regard to the bolded statement.

But, it appears to me that if a Muslim is going to be a purist, our very way of life would be severely threatened. It seems to me that the so called moderate Muslims here are very much in sympathy of the cause of the radicals.

I remember reading that if a Chritian church is within so many feet of a Mosque, that their Koran demands that the church be destroyed.

I can only hope that the majority do not decide to become a Koran purist.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:32 PM
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The trouble is the moderates go along to get along, or just fade away. The teaching and the recruiting is more along the fundamentalist line, as is the immigration effort.

You are correct that there is much to be concerned about, but Dr. Mohammed down at the hospital isn't (usually) the epicenter.
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Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill

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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:36 PM
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The trouble is the moderates go along to get along, or just fade away. The teaching and the recruiting is more along the fundamentalist line, as is the immigration effort.

You are correct that there is much to be concerned about, but Dr. Mohammed down at the hospital isn't (usually) the epicenter.
You are right. At least here in American. So far...so good. But, if you recall there were about three Dr. Mohammeds in London that were in involved in the recent London Airport terrorist act.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:58 PM
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You are right. At least here in American. So far...so good. But, if you recall there were about three Dr. Mohammeds in London that were in involved in the recent London Airport terrorist act.
Ahhh, London. Strict truth-in-advertising laws, but they still can't call a terrorist a terrorist.
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Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:35 PM
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This prose has some faulty reasoning, as it implies that all Muslims in America are fundamentalists. The truth is that the majority of them are here for the express reason that they could see that the emperor had, indeed, no clothes, and they want to improve their lot in life, and give their children a brighter future. They remain Muslim in practice, since they know nothing else and it is a taste of home, but by and large they are skeptical at heart of the very things on which this missive focuses.
Well see you missed the point. The question was about GOOD Muslims. According to Fundamentalist Muslims those that are NOT of the list are not really good Muslims
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:45 PM
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Bro S, you cannot paint all muslims with a broad brush.

Are all Pentecostals snake handlers?
Are all Christians abortion clinic bombers?
Do all Christians even believe in the absolutel authority of the Word?

Within Islam there are a variety of different sects, each interpretting the same writings in a very different manner.

It sort of reminds me of AFF...
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:47 PM
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Bro S, you cannot paint all muslims with a broad brush.

Are all Pentecostals snake handlers?
Are all Christians abortion clinic bombers?
Do all Christians even believe in the absolutel authority of the Word?

Within Islam there are a variety of different sects, each interpretting the same writings in a very different manner.

It sort of reminds me of AFF...
You can paint MOST Muslims a certain way theologically/politically and socially because of the Quran.

Also mind you, there are not a thousand Islamic denominations with different beliefs. You have Sunni and you have Shiites and they have peculiar belief systems.
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:53 PM
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You can paint MOST Muslims a certain way theologically/politically and socially because of the Quran.

Also mind you, there are not a thousand Islamic denominations with different beliefs. You have Sunni and you have Shiites and they have peculiar belief systems.
I think you need to start witnessing to and befriending some Muslims. I think it will expand your perception...
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