|
Tab Menu 1
| Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun! |
 |
|
09-25-2007, 12:24 PM
|
 |
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,396
|
|
|
Can Rebellion Ever Be Justified?
The Bible says,
1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
These two scriptures say that we should submit unto kings and that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.
That being said, how in the light of these scriptures can one "scripturally" defend the original colonies rebellion against King George's rule and the Revolutionary war?
Remember, I am neither a Monarchist nor a defender of King George, I just wonder how in light of scripture can one justify Rebellion?
This should be interesting! 
|
09-25-2007, 12:36 PM
|
 |
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 5,529
|
|
|
Hmmm........
Was it rebellion for the Israelites to want to leave Pharaoh and Egypt for the promised land?
David did not allow Saul to kill him and lead men away from Saul. Was that rebellion?
Was it rebellious for Jesus to teach against the Pharisaical system that was in power in His day?
__________________
Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
|
09-25-2007, 12:39 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,396
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW
Hmmm........
Was it rebellion for the Israelites to want to leave Pharaoh and Egypt for the promised land?
David did not allow Saul to kill him and lead men away from Saul. Was that rebellion?
Was it rebellious for Jesus to teach against the Pharisaical system that was in power in His day?
|
Interesting...
But....none of those scriptures involved "Armed Conflict" in rebellion.
Moses, Jesus, & David all let God fight for them-did he not?
|
09-25-2007, 12:42 PM
|
 |
Go Dodgers!
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 45,794
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron
Interesting...
But....none of those scriptures involved "Armed Conflict" in rebellion.
Moses, Jesus, & David all let God fight for them-did he not? |
They engaged in Armed Conflict to kick the pagans out of the land they were to inherit
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
|
09-25-2007, 01:55 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,396
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas
They engaged in Armed Conflict to kick the pagans out of the land they were to inherit
|
It was the Crown that set up the Colonies.
|
09-27-2007, 02:42 AM
|
 |
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 653
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron
It was the Crown that set up the Colonies. |
I thought it was people who left the crown that set up the colonies. It was later that the "crown" saw the financial benefit of commandeering the political aspect of the colonies under the "authority" of the king. Were the pilgrims in the mayflower under jurisdiction of the king, or were they fleeing the tyranny of a diabolical monarchy? If they established their own "colony" free of tyranny, then the tyrant king presupposes authority that never was his to begin with, who are the real rebels? Wasn't the english parliament passing legislation with regard to the colonies without giving the constituents of the colonies a representative voice in parliament? It seems to me that the "crown" was overstepping his boundaries, and not the colonists. The "revolutionary" war was really a war of self defense (remember the boston massacre), rather than an uprising and rebellion. The colonists had fled english tyranny... the tyrant (like pharoah) attempted to subdue the people ex post facto liberation. The colonist's fight was a fight to preserve their liberty, not gain it! imo...
__________________
...or something like that...
|
09-25-2007, 12:51 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 5,529
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron
Interesting...
But....none of those scriptures involved "Armed Conflict" in rebellion.
Moses, Jesus, & David all let God fight for them-did he not? |
So it's only rebellion if it involves armed conflict?
__________________
Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
|
09-25-2007, 01:00 PM
|
|
Go Dodgers!
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 45,794
|
|
|
Did anyone define what rebellion means?
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
|
09-25-2007, 01:59 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,396
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW
So it's only rebellion if it involves armed conflict?
|
No it isn't.
That is a good point.
Shouldn't the colonies have allowed God to set them free?
After all, if the USA was ordained of God, couldn't God have defeated the British through some other means?
|
09-25-2007, 02:15 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: in the north unfortunately
Posts: 6,476
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron
No it isn't.
That is a good point.
Shouldn't the colonies have allowed God to set them free?
After all, if the USA was ordained of God, couldn't God have defeated the British through some other means? |
have to tell you bro, i believe god built this country but we are fading from out roots, god help us, dt
__________________
A product of a pentecostal raisin, I am a hard man, just ask my children 
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:40 AM.
| |
Hybrid Mode
