Why aren't there more African Americans in the UPC or the leadership of the UPC???
There is a precious young AA* lady in our church who recently married a PAW fella from out of state and it caused me to ask this question. Why on earth would any AA family with children want to join up with the UPC?
This young lady's mom was an Olympic sprinter and has a college degree, and in my mind would have been a wonderful catch for any man.
You also don't see any (to my knowledge) any AA's in the UPC leadership.
It has always been a very racist organization. In New Orleans John Cupit has his white church and his black church.
My father was always troubled by the racism in the UPC.
well i obviously cant speak for the organization, but after being around for over 37 years, two observations, most of the upc churches dont have a lot of americans of african descent in them, and also most of the people i know who are americans of african descent go to black pentecostal churches by choice, this is my experience , especially in the south, dt
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The UPC church I attend is pretty much half black & half white.
our church which is in the north has many black members also, and a lot of the churches in the north that i am familiar with have the same thing, i believe all people should be looked at as just that people, regardless of ethnicity, the church of god is just that the church, all of us make up the body, dt
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well i obviously cant speak for the organization, but after being around for over 37 years, two observations, most of the upc churches dont have a lot of americans of african descent in them, and also most of the people i know who are americans of african descent go to black pentecostal churches by choice, this is my experience , especially in the south, dt
Exactly...by choice. Hence, the reason we have the PAW organization. AA want their own organization. Has nothing to do with racism. The people who yell racism are far more racist than the people they accuse of being racist. My personal opinion based on decades of observation!
Exactly...by choice. Hence, the reason we have the PAW organization. AA want their own organization. Has nothing to do with racism. The people who yell racism are far more racist than the people they accuse of being racist. My personal opinion based on decades of observation!
With all due respect it is statements like this that show the deep rooted ignorance of disguised racism. (I am not say that HGML is racist) The PAW was not formed as a AA/Black organization. Rather it was a multicultural organization where people from every ethnicity could enjoy fellowship and true love. It was not until whites decided to divide that the organization became predominantly AA. The very root of the division was racism is what separated us many years ago and it still exists today.
I have preached extensively for black churches and organizations for more than 20 years, there is racism on both sides to be sure. However, I have been told by District Sups to leave those n's alone and come back to my people, I have been called a N lover and many other things throughout the years. I know first hand that there is an underlying root of racism that permeates the UPCI and many other "white" organizations including their leadership.
The true test of racism is whether or not my son can marry your daughter. Fred Price
With all due respect it is statements like this that show the deep rooted ignorance of disguised racism. (I am not say that HGML is racist) The PAW was not formed as a AA/Black organization. Rather it was a multicultural organization where people from every ethnicity could enjoy fellowship and true love. It was not until whites decided to divide that the organization became predominantly AA. The very root of the division was racism is what separated us many years ago and it still exists today.
I have preached extensively for black churches and organizations for more than 20 years, there is racism on both sides to be sure. However, I have been told by District Sups to leave those n's alone and come back to my people, I have been called a N lover and many other things throughout the years. I know first hand that there is an underlying root of racism that permeates the UPCI and many other "white" organizations including their leadership.
The true test of racism is whether or not my son can marry your daughter. Fred Price
This is so very true - let them little white UPC gals start even looking at a black guy and the family has to leave church or get outta town!
well i obviously cant speak for the organization, but after being around for over 37 years, two observations, most of the upc churches dont have a lot of americans of african descent in them, and also most of the people i know who are americans of african descent go to black pentecostal churches by choice, this is my experience , especially in the south, dt
It's not just that the UPC is a "very racist organization"...where I live in southern Cal most black people go to black churches..period. I remember witnessing to a black woman once and she said she drove past our church and just didn't know if her kind was welcome. So black people have a perception already that they go to black churches and whites go to white churches. Our church is racially mixed and always has been. It was a black person that helped bring me into the UPC
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It's not just that the UPC is a "very racist organization"...where I live in southern Cal most black people go to black churches..period. I remember witnessing to a black woman once and she said she drove past our church and just didn't know if her kind was welcome. So black people have a perception already that they go to black churches and whites go to white churches. Our church is racially mixed and always has been. It was a black person that helped bring me into the UPC
I visited a multicultural church near Chicago a couple months ago, and the pastor spoke on racism in the church. He said it's funny......he's heard people comment on his black church....because they passed by and saw black people exiting.
He's also heard people comment on his white church.....they were passing by and saw white people exiting......
He spoke very candidly about the stereotypes that exist between both worlds. He told the whites that a group of black men standing on a street corner didn't mean they were drug dealers. He told the blacks that they didn't have to wake up in the morning, feeling that it was another day of fighting the white folks that had it in for them.
He spoke about the Civil War and how hundreds of thousands of white men lost their lives for their freedom.
He also spoke about the statistics involving slavery and that about 3,000 black businessmen owned black slaves in the south.
He is a white pastor, and while I wasn't sure how his words would be received, he got amens from both black and white folks.
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