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[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean, if the planet earth is destroyed by fire is that the old heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21?

The day of the Lord begins....

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The conclusion.....

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.



Yep. This will happen at the CONCLUSION of Peters' "Day of the Lord"!










Just like this particular conclusion of the Last Days/Church Age....16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

[Sean]

There is alot of debate regarding the term, "day of the Lord", so here is an objective, random post to help anyone wanting to learn about it.....




We believe there are reasons to understand the phrase as including the millennial reign:
Peter’s description of the Day of the Lord appears to include events following the Millennium (2Pe. 2Pe. 3:10-12 cf. Rev. Rev. 20:11+; Rev. 21:1+).3
The phrases this day and that day are not disconnected terms, but involve demonstrative pronouns which make little sense in the absence of any antecedent. The antecedent is seen to be the Day of the Lord (Isa. Isa. 2:12 cf. Isa. 2:20; Joel Joel 3:14 cf. Joel Joel 3:18).....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...eSAU9zHZyRtgPg

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Must I assume that you guys believe this?

No, is isn't an assumption, it is called being a hateful liar.

Deal with it.

[J.A. Perez]

This is how I would compare 2nd Peter 3:10-12

Isaiah 24:19
The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is violently shaken.

Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.

Micah 1:4
The mountains melt beneath him and the valleys split apart, like wax before the fire, like water rushing down a slope.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

Elements—the component materials of the world [Wahl]. However, as "the works" in the earth are mentioned separately from "the earth," so it is likely by "elements," mentioned after "the heavens," are meant "the works therein," namely, the sun, moon, and stars (as Theophilus of Antioch [p. 22, 148, 228]; and Justin Martyr [Apology, 2.44], use the word "elements"): these, as at creation, so in the destruction of the world, are mentioned [Bengel]. But as "elements" is not so used in Scripture Greek, perhaps it refers to the component materials of "the heavens," including the heavenly bodies; it clearly belongs to the former clause, "the heavens," not to the following, "the earth," etc.

melt—be dissolved, as in 2Pe 3:11.

the works … therein—of nature and of art.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Micah was prophesying judgement against Judea by the forces of Sennacherib in 701 B.C.. Also Isaiah 24-27 is just a short time before the attack by Sennacherib, on Jerusalem in 701 B.C. Isaiah 37:21 is the Prophet Isaiah promising Hezekiah concerning the coming destruction of Sennacherib and his armies. No mountains literally melted, stars never fell (which some are 10 times larger than our own star which we call the sun) the solar system didn't roll up. Both prophets are speaking about the same events. Events which concerned literal wars, and the destruction of capitals, one being Samaria the capital of northern kingdom of Israel.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

This is how I would compare 2nd Peter 3:10-12

Isaiah 24:19
The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is violently shaken.

Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.

Micah 1:4
The mountains melt beneath him and the valleys split apart, like wax before the fire, like water rushing down a slope.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

Elements—the component materials of the world [Wahl]. However, as "the works" in the earth are mentioned separately from "the earth," so it is likely by "elements," mentioned after "the heavens," are meant "the works therein," namely, the sun, moon, and stars (as Theophilus of Antioch [p. 22, 148, 228]; and Justin Martyr [Apology, 2.44], use the word "elements"): these, as at creation, so in the destruction of the world, are mentioned [Bengel]. But as "elements" is not so used in Scripture Greek, perhaps it refers to the component materials of "the heavens," including the heavenly bodies; it clearly belongs to the former clause, "the heavens," not to the following, "the earth," etc.

melt—be dissolved, as in 2Pe 3:11.

the works … therein—of nature and of art.

Aaaah, A voice of reason. Praise God for Bro. Perez!

[shazeep]

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

[houston]

Originally Posted by shazeep

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Referring to first principles, not the sun, moon, and stars.

[edjen01]

And then tomorrow I could be ran over by a bus & it doesn't matter what I believed about marks, beasts, elements, timelines, chips, or scoffing. Good grief. I've enjoyed life much better since I stopped guessing how it would end & just lived it the best I can.

[shazeep]

amen.