Their loss is Globals gain (maybe)

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

No one (that I am aware of ) has suggested not fellowshipping, but licensing is something different. And repeating the Name of Jesus over a baptismal candidate is a conviction to some, it should be honored as such.

Likewise, for example I would not belittle the "Apostolic" dress standards preached by a local pastor. I would however challenge when he decided anyone not holding to their standard is lost.

Exactly right, IMO.

[Socialite]

I don't support anyone teaching so-called "holiness standards" that aren't biblical.

I don't know about "belittling" but I certainly wouldn't be secretive about disagreeing. Maybe I'd come up with a parable or something...

[Hoovie]

Big difference between a group dressing conservative and preferring a modest lifestyle, and those who would cast others in hell (as if) for not lining up to their way of life.

I was probably raised stricter than anyone here, yet we never judged other Christians as lost or unsaved.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I don't support anyone teaching so-called "holiness standards" that aren't biblical.

I don't know about "belittling" but I certainly wouldn't be secretive about disagreeing. Maybe I'd come up with a parable or something...

Each local pastor has the right and obligation to set guidelines as to how that assembly presents itself.

The pastor holds the vision for the local assembly, more than one vision is called division.

If for some reason it offends the sensibility, then go somewhere else.

THAT is the glorious thing about the bride, no local assembly or even organization has a monopoly. That is where the diversity comes in.

But as long as you are part of a local assembly respect and honor the office of pastor.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Each local pastor has the right and obligation to set guidelines as to how that assembly presents itself.

The pastor holds the vision for the local assembly, more than one vision is called division.

If for some reason it offends the sensibility, then go somewhere else.

THAT is the glorious thing about the bride, no local assembly or even organization has a monopoly. That is where the diversity comes in.

But as long as you are part of a local assembly respect and honor the office of pastor.

Vision = dress standards?

Vision = mission of the Church?

The idea that any of that is in the pastor's job description is itself not biblical.

And the idea of one pastor leading (becomes hard not to "lord" when that happens) isn't really biblical either. But we'll save that one for another day.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Vision = dress standards?

Vision = mission of the Church?

The idea that any of that is in the pastor's job description is itself not biblical.

And the idea of one pastor leading (becomes hard not to "lord" when that happens) isn't really biblical either. But we'll save that one for another day.

No one believes that every believer is a royal priest stronger than I.

And I also preach that the pastor usually isn't even the most spiritual one in the local assembly. Nevertheless, he is the head of that assembly. And it is his job to teach, including modesty. Some congregations NEED a more structured environ than others. I detest pulpit bullies and those who think they are the reincarnation of the OT priest and prophet combined.

Nevertheless, it is still his job to shepherd, and to lead. That does include teachings of modesty and all that entails.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

No one believes that every believer is a royal priest stronger than I.

And I also preach that the pastor usually isn't even the most spiritual one in the local assembly. Nevertheless, he is the head of that assembly. And it is his job to teach, including modesty. Some congregations NEED a more structured environ than others. I desist pulpit bullies and those who think they are the reincarnation of the OT priest and prophet combined.

Nevertheless, it is still his job to shepherd, and to lead. That does include teachings of modesty and all that entails.

I agree, when you put it like that.

It's not part of our main repertoire --- and if it did come up, it would be a discipling moment with that believer in real-time. Most people have good sense on that -- (admittedly) surprisingly.

I'd prefer older women to disciple the younger and so on...

Most pastors have beefed up their description beyond what God called them to do, and then they wonder why they are so burnt out.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Each local pastor has the right and obligation to set guidelines as to how that assembly presents itself.

The pastor holds the vision for the local assembly, more than one vision is called division.

If for some reason it offends the sensibility, then go somewhere else.

THAT is the glorious thing about the bride, no local assembly or even organization has a monopoly. That is where the diversity comes in.

But as long as you are part of a local assembly respect and honor the office of pastor.

Not so sure I agree... it depends on the nature if the disagreement. In some cases of serious error I think it's better to stay.

What is our obligation to the weaker vessels in the body? The poor (who can't just move)? Would your departure bring about yet more burden on the body you leave behind?

Also, does it not matter that one has vested time and money in the church? All should be flushed at the whim and error of a single leader?

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I agree, when you put it like that.

It's not part of our main repertoire --- and if it did come up, it would be a discipling moment with that believer in real-time. Most people have good sense on that -- (admittedly) surprisingly.

I'd prefer older women to disciple the younger and so on...

Most pastors have beefed up their description beyond what God called them to do, and then they wonder why they are so burnt out.

Agree, that is it is not the pastor's job to be watchdog or policeman of the church.

Personally I believe in separate classes to disciple the men, and let the men be priests in their own house. It is overstepping boundaries for the pastor to directly address a married women.

And of course classes for single moms etc as needed.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Agree, that is it is not the pastor's job to be watchdog or policeman of the church.

Personally I believe in separate classes to disciple the men, and let the men be priests in their own house. It is overstepping boundaries for the pastor to directly address a married women.

And of course classes for single moms etc as needed.

Of courses, better than classes are God's people learning to live a life of discipleship, looking for opportunities in real-time environments. Rabbinic style (real life) discipleship vs. Western-style (classroom).