ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ? - Page 3

kclee4jc · #21 02-23-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

You did not answer the question. What is the gospel?

Read the verse...the Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection.

Scott Hutchinson · #22 02-23-2011, 08:47 PM

Acts.2:38 is important and I started this thread not to minimalize the importance of it.
But before Peter got to verse 38,he preached on the death,burial ,resurrection of Christ.
Preaching Jesus and Him crucified is the emphasis,and Acts.2:38 should the response given to those who have become convicted and drawn by The Holy Ghost.

Many preach Acts.2:38 without about preaching about the Man that is in the plan.

kclee4jc · #23 02-23-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by noeticknight

Note, the above post is indicative of similar claims made by religious zealots who have not yet fully grasped the force of God’s grace. In other words, “it is not good enough to rely on the work and record of Jesus Christ, but you must perform certain rituals to seal the deal.”

The concept of grace however, causes one to understand that we cannot leverage salvation through performance (obedience if you want to call it that). Salvation is given freely to those who believe and endure. To believe the Gospel is to accept His record as enough. To obey is to reciprocate love towards the Savior, not earn salvation. Think love relationship, not religious initiation (John 14:23).

Very Good! Keeping his words = loving him. Did you notice that it is then that he makes his abode with us? If any man hath not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His. Not yet anyway..

The blood must be applied for grace to be received. I obeyed the Gospel because I loved him. Not to escape Hell. If i didnt love Him i would not have obeyed, would not have received the grace that was freely offered on the cross...and would not have escaped Hell.

kclee4jc · #24 02-23-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Acts.2:38 is important and I started this thread not to minimalize the importance of it.
But before Peter got to verse 38,he preached on the death,burial ,resurrection of Christ.
Preaching Jesus and Him crucified is the emphasis,and Acts.2:38 should the response given to those who have become convicted and drawn by The Holy Ghost.

Many preach Acts.2:38 without about preaching about the Man that is in the plan.

Right, Peter preached Jesus. A plan of action (Acts 2:38) would have been pointless and vain if they had not first accepted the person of Jesus.

noeticknight · #25 02-23-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

The Gopsel?
I Corinthians 15:2-4
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

Repentance-Death
Baptism-Burial
Resurrection-Holy Ghost infilling

(1 Corinthians 15:13-18)

"But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished."

The good news is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is the truth that He became our Savior. A Savior to believe in, not just to imitate. And if Christ’s sacrifice was that of some great prophet or teacher, it would not be enough. If “Christ be not raised, your faith is vain;” as would be your obedience.

The Gospel is the “good news” and the “glad tidings” of what He did (1 Corinthians 15:10). The credibility of our faith is dependent on His work, not our own per se.

TGBTG · #26 02-23-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Read the verse...the Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection.

Death, burial, and Resurrection of who?

kclee4jc · #27 02-23-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Death, burial, and Resurrection of who?

Jesus Christ...with which we identiry. Ya know, we are buried with him by baptism...

TGBTG · #28 02-23-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Very Good! Keeping his words = loving him. Did you notice that it is then that he makes his abode with us? If any man hath not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His. Not yet anyway..

The blood must be applied for grace to be received. I obeyed the Gospel because I loved him. Not to escape Hell. If i didnt love Him i would not have obeyed, would not have received the grace that was freely offered on the cross...and would not have escaped Hell.

How can you obey the gospel? How is that possible? Did you mean believe the gospel?

The gospel is not something to be obeyed. It is something to believed.

Mark 16
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

TGBTG · #29 02-23-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Jesus Christ...with which we identiry. Ya know, we are buried with him by baptism...

Ok, How about your analogy of:

Repentance - Death
Baptism - Burial
Holy Ghost infilling - Resurrection

How does your analogy fit in the case of Cornelius in Acts 10. Why was Cornelius buried since he had already resurrected?

kclee4jc · #30 02-23-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by noeticknight

(1 Corinthians 15:13-18)

"But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished."

The good news is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is the truth that He became our Savior. A Savior to believe in, not just to imitate. And if Christ’s sacrifice was that of some great prophet or teacher, it would not be enough. If “Christ be not raised, your faith is vain;” as would be your obedience.

The Gospel is the “good news” and the “glad tidings” of what He did (1 Corinthians 15:10). The credibility of our faith is dependent on His work, not our own per se.

Still...agreed completely. To act out this plan would be pointless if he hadn't already done it. But since he did..he provided a way for us to identify with Him and receive His grace. Faith requires action...according to James anyway