Tithing…Is it a command?

[FlamingZword]

Here are a couple of anti-tithe crowd jokes.

Question
How many anti-tithe people does it take to change a light bulb?
Answer
None, there is no light bulb to change, since no one wants to buy it.

Question
How many churches are anti-tithe?
Answer
Zero, there is no money to build a church.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Here are a couple of anti-tithe crowd jokes.

Question
How many anti-tithe people does it take to change a light bulb?
Answer
None, there is no light bulb to change, since no one wants to buy it.

Question
How many churches are anti-tithe?
Answer
Zero, there is no money to build a church.

I know pastors who have built successful, thriving churches who do not adhere to your tithing theory. One pastor's offering tripled when he publicly renounced the teaching from the pulpit stating that he had had a change of heart after further study and prayer. You see, that man had courage, something you know nothing about.

[shag]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Here are a couple of anti-tithe crowd jokes.

Question
How many anti-tithe people does it take to change a light bulb?
Answer
None, there is no light bulb to change, since no one wants to buy it.

Question
How many churches are anti-tithe?
Answer
Zero, there is no money to build a church.

Only Christ can build or purchase his church with or without man-made buildings. Maybe that's part of your dilemma, you're hung up on the church being a place instead of a people?
Funny light bulb joke tho

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shag

Only Christ can build or purchase his church with or without man-made buildings. Maybe that's part of your dilemma, you're hung up on the church being a place instead of a people?

These guys would rather bleed to death a few saints than win the world and let the finances come by faith.

[Rudy]

It's a sickening mess. The guy who said people owe back money needs to be reported and exposed BY NAME!!!

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by shag

Flame , u write that one page book on tithing yet, where you explain what Paul didn't, and with your biblical authority (extra biblical?) explain who all out of the ministries involved in Gods church is required to receive either tithe money or tithe from stolen goods from war, or ag crops from farmers, who all is required to pay it, and what all can be used as a tithe for those maybe short on cash but have plenty of chickens in the chicken house? And who all gets a yr off from tithing every seven yrs on jubilee year. And if it's wrong to tithe anything other than money. Matter of fact, on your one page book is it just telling everyone to send 10% of everything they own to you, since you have to pick and choose who gets a piece of everyone else's 10% cause Paul never did?

I'm sure Puny will buy your first copy.


A Well known UPC evangelist came to my church a couple of years ago telling everybody how they not only had to pay their tithes to the storehouse, but they had to pay all the tithes back every since they were born again because they owed backpay. Kept telling everybody to tap theirself on the chest and say 'my man of God.'
Whatcha think of that nonsense flame?


U guys explain the nt tithes to us Gentiles, who all in the body is expected to pay and who all in the body is expected to receives 10% of else's green according to scripture, cause Paul musta forgot to.

Write/type the book right here and now. Can items sometimes, always, or never be substituted for money? Who all gets? Who all pays? Prove to me according to the scriptures why you cannot require everyone on aff to send you 10% of their income...burden of proof-explain by the scriptures why you can't do that.

Excellent!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sean

Someone asked when the "tithe" ended......Heb. 7...


To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Now let us look at the context of Heb. 7......keep an eye on the bold print.....
7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

It clearly states that tithing is of the LAW OF MOSES!

6 but he whose descent(Melchisedek had descendants) is not counted to them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.


7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes;(Jewish priests under the LAW) but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people received the law, what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect,


NINE times, the word tithe or tenth is used. The exegesis of the passage here is about the TITHE, and what has become of it. This passage is the telling us that the tithe, which is of the Law, has been DISANULLED.





The tithe was the mechanism that drove the Levitical priesthood, it could not operate without it.
Malachi shows us that.....(the "Law" is crying out for funding there).
You take away the tithe...you take away(defund) the Law of Moses.
The "theme" of Hebrews is to do exactly that.
Put an end to the temple worship.... This chapter is the "defunding" chapter.

I asked when tithing is said to have ceased. Thank you for your response.

However, your emphasis on "tithing" here is wrong. This chapter is not about tithing. It's about the pre-eminence of Christ and His priesthood. Incidentally, Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek prior to the covenant of circumcision. Also since we are on the subject of tithing and Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek, and all the Levites as well, and Christs priesthood is patterned after Melchizedek and Melchizedek received tithes then Christ's priesthood receives tithes as well. Thank you for allowing me to demonstrate that point.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I know pastors who have built successful, thriving churches who do not adhere to your tithing theory. One pastor's offering tripled when he publicly renounced the teaching from the pulpit stating that he had had a change of heart after further study and prayer. You see, that man had courage, something you know nothing about.

I have the courage to stand up to your bullying.
I have the courage to stand up to your intimidation.
I have the courage to stand up to your insults.
I have the courage to stand up for my beliefs.

I even had the courage to stand up against the death threats from Sean, that guy who wants to murder about 99% percent of all of Apostolic preachers because they teach the tithe.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I asked when tithing is said to have ceased. Thank you for your response.

However, your emphasis on "tithing" here is wrong. This chapter is not about tithing. It's about the pre-eminence of Christ and His priesthood. Incidentally, Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek prior to the covenant of circumcision. Also since we are on the subject of tithing and Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek, and all the Levites as well, and Christs priesthood is patterned after Melchizedek and Melchizedek received tithes then Christ's priesthood receives tithes as well. Thank you for allowing me to demonstrate that point.

Excellent response.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

Here we go again.

Pro-tithe people, why is this such a big deal? You are acting like we are telling people that they should not give at all. Keep in mind God does not need the money.

Seems like there are more people angry about others teaching tithing.

BTW I never said anti-tithing people said not to give at all. So if you are going to make an assertion please be kind enough to document it or don't make the assertion. Also, tithing is not about God needing money. Who ever said that? Again, another unfounded assertion.