I don't happen to have a copy right here. I'll have to check when I get to the office tomorrow. I am thinking that the wording in the application is about agreeing with and obeying the Articles of Faith (which include holiness).
It does say fundamantal doctrine...but I dont see articles of faith.
Ferd, a very dear friend of mine, the late Elder Leonard Westberg, was the author of the resolution which created the Affirmation Statement. I never heard him say ONE WORD about trying to "exclude" the "PCI" mentality. This is the FIRST TIME I have EVER heard anyone say that. How did you come up with that?
you know I have great respect for you KP. You arent one of the guys that I would openly challenge.
This is not something I came up with. There has been tons written on the subject. And this was even something that was discussed at the meetings in 1992. There is no real point in rehashing every aspect Bro, but suffice it to say, the PCI part of the UPCI was in fact run off and I dont think Elder Westburg was much broken up over that.
Brother Westburg was a great man, and I have no desire to say a single negative thing about him, that was not my intent. But none the less, there was a conserted effort to remove those weak on doctrine and the Infernal Document did what it was designed to do.
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For some folks the length of your shirt sleeve and a metal watch band constitute "fundamental doctrine"!!!!!!!!
I had a "fundamental" shirt with long sleeves. It was gold.
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This is nonsense, plain and simple. The Affirmation Statement asks whether or not you believe, preach, teach, and live the Articles of Faith. You truly expect me to believe that the entire Atlantic District NEVER had to agree to the Articles of Faith? I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
Just saw your response here K.P. And yes, it's true. Before you get mad and embarrass yourself check it out. Frankly, I'm surprised that you didn't already know that.
And, how do you feel about the other matters in which the AS was introduced to the GC in 1992? Are you comfortable with that?
Ferd, a very dear friend of mine, the late Elder Leonard Westberg, was the author of the resolution which created the Affirmation Statement. I never heard him say ONE WORD about trying to "exclude" the "PCI" mentality. This is the FIRST TIME I have EVER heard anyone say that. How did you come up with that?
Ask Coonskinner.
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Ferd, a very dear friend of mine, the late Elder Leonard Westberg, was the author of the resolution which created the Affirmation Statement. I never heard him say ONE WORD about trying to "exclude" the "PCI" mentality. This is the FIRST TIME I have EVER heard anyone say that. How did you come up with that?
His words, almost verbatim and directed at the "liberals" in Idaho: We need this resolution to keep scoundrels (or "renegades") who don't believe our message from threatening us with lawsuits.
There's really only one group of "liberals" in Idaho relevant to this discussion.
It does say fundamantal doctrine...but I dont see articles of faith.
KP sounds like he's a great guy, but like we all do sometimes; we see what we want to see.
Remember, "Love thinketh no evil..." (1 Corinthians 13:5). When you love your fellowship and the people that it represents you willfully overlook a lot of blemishes confident in the idea that things will clear up in time.
But when you're dealing with an org of human beings you have to be able to speak out honestly with one another. When we cut ourselves off from an open and honest (and sometimes critical) evaluation of ourselves, then we leave it up to "outsiders" to provide the correction that we need.
Just saw your response here K.P. And yes, it's true. Before you get mad and embarrass yourself check it out. Frankly, I'm surprised that you didn't already know that.
And, how do you feel about the other matters in which the AS was introduced to the GC in 1992? Are you comfortable with that?
What other matter are you speaking of? Many don't know what you are talking about.
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What other matter are you speaking of? Many don't know what you are talking about.
The "nonsense" (KP's word) that I mentioned earlier:
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Originally Posted by pelathais
The entire Atlantic District was brought onboard without having to sign at the beginning. For them the 1992 AS was something of a betrayal of trust.
Before voting on the Resolution (I was there) the floor had many questions about how the General Board had voted on the issue. The fact of the matter was, there was so much division on the General Board that they never even voted. This fact was not disclosed and a false statement was made that "90% to 99%" of the General Board was behind the resolution. Basically, we at the conference in '92 were deceived. I have a problem with that.
Finally, the required reading material for ministers was always thought of as an "explanation" of the AoF, Manual and other things that a minister was signing on to. As the Required Reading materials were purged of their PCI material, the implications of what we were signing was changed as well. No votes were ever taken to purge this material. It was largely done behind closed doors. This also represented a problem for me. Basically they changed the meaning of the AoF between the time I first signed and the time that they asked me to sign again.
They made these changes behind closed doors without an open discussion; and then they offered up the AS deceitfully.
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