Is the UPC a Den of Incest (Growth Within)?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

I believe you will find that ratio in any church.

Could be due to the fact that women give births to more girls then boys.

Is that accurate ...? Last time I took a bio class the probability of having a male or female is 50/50 ...

I think that what happens during the lifetime of males and females ... sickness, disease, life expectancy is the reason there is a larger ratio of women to men ...

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What does sharing common spiritual DNA do to the offspring?

It quite simply means we all belong to HIM!

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=183

What do you think?

I think it is bleak and negative. It is, however, quite novel in its assertion that the UPC might be disintegrating.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

You can PM me about the drinking if you need support.

Yes, I too can see some have difficulty adapting to our standards on women's facial hair. TIC

Here is the one thing that gives me pause concerning your theory... If women are leaving in droves and can't adapt to standards etc., why is it that women outnumber the men 2-1 in most of our churches?

A very penetrating question. Leave it to Brother Steve to drag out the big guns and blow the slow gators out of the water. A worldly woman may need to make some "adjustments" to become acclimated to the UPC, but a worldly man must give up a great deal, chiefly pride, to become acclimated to the UPC and the feminized church services offered by most.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I think it is bleak and negative. It is, however, quite novel in its assertion that the UPC might be disintegrating.


A very penetrating question. Leave it to Brother Steve to drag out the big guns and blow the slow gators out of the water. A worldly woman may need to make some "adjustments" to become acclimated to the UPC, but a worldly man must give up a great deal, chiefly pride, to become acclimated to the UPC and the feminized church services offered by most.

Wow, how insightful!!!

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What does sharing common spiritual DNA do to the offspring?

Perhaps this is what MOW meant, an inbreeding of spiritual DNA leading to retarded growth.

Without "new blood" there is no fresh perspective.

The challenge is perhaps in having an infusion of new blood without losing sight of the original vision of the house.

And to that unfortunately I am not sure there is a pat one-size-fits-all answer.

It is a constant balancing act to infuse new without betraying what should be immutable.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I think it is bleak and negative. It is, however, quite novel in its assertion that the UPC might be disintegrating.


A very penetrating question. Leave it to Brother Steve to drag out the big guns and blow the slow gators out of the water. A worldly woman may need to make some "adjustments" to become acclimated to the UPC, but a worldly man must give up a great deal, chiefly pride, to become acclimated to the UPC and the feminized church services offered by most.

Please explain how the UPC service is feminized?

Also ... I think the whole issue of holiness standards is a male pride issue at heart ... it's veiled chauvinism/sexism and is very much a tactic used to subjugate women in various ways.

[vrblackwell]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I think it is bleak and negative. It is, however, quite novel in its assertion that the UPC might be disintegrating.





A very penetrating question. Leave it to Brother Steve to drag out the big guns and blow the slow gators out of the water. A worldly woman may need to make some "adjustments" to become acclimated to the UPC, but a worldly man must give up a great deal, chiefly pride, to become acclimated to the UPC and the feminized church services offered by most.

I see you have read "Why Men Hate going to Church". good book.

[CC1]

I object to the title of the thread. It is not clear it is speaking of spiritual incest. It insinuates the UPC if full of sexual peversion.

I am sure that is not the intent of the threads author but that is the inference. I wish the thread title had been more descriptive of the actual subject.

The subject is an appropriate one. I have long contended that the UPC's tepid growth over the last generation has been due to most new members being either born into the org. or married into it. The actual rate of new converts doesn't even keep pace with the population growth each year.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Please explain how the UPC service is feminized?

Also ... I think the whole issue of holiness standards is a male pride issue at heart ... it's veiled chauvinism/sexism and is very much a tactic used to subjugate women in various ways.

I have heard this before too. Problem is most all conservative women I know are married to husbands that are at least a bit more liberal....

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

I see you have read "Why Men Hate going to Church". good book.

Very good. Laying on my desk right now.