Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I can only speak for myself, I served peace time. I value our fighting forces. I don’t believe we should be engaged in a war of choice. Our soldiers are not meaningless pawns to waste on a globalist agenda. As we speak our boys are dying to enforce a UN resolution, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We need to pull out of the UN and stop being the UN’s global enforcer. We need to pull our boys out and tell the UN, “Fight your own war.” But Bush doesn’t have those kind of guts…Bush is another globalist like his father. And the way we’re treating our troops who are coming home needs some work too.

The reality is that, with or without the United States, there is going to be a United Nations. As tough as the USA is, we still do not have the ability to take on the whole world at once. If there is going to be a UN, then we need to be involved and in control of as much of it as we can.

[SOUNWORTHY]

But not the way Clinton involved our Military with the UN.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We should be reminded that McCain was caught in a series of lies about his Iraq visit.

If you are talking about the NOT wearing of body armour, I heard the same information, a couple of days ago, involving other military personal who didn't wear body armour every time they go out. It was a solider being interviewed.

AND

If you are talking about the Humvees not having armour plates that is also true. I personally know someone that works on getting these out to be shipped and they said that not all of them have the armour plates, but they are trying to get them all equipped.

On the pre-surge numbers. I don't have my facts on that.

Found the point made and am adding it here. 3 of the 5 brigades that were involved in the pre-surge are heading back to the US.The remaining two will be back by July. That didn't bring down the number of troops in Iraq from pre-surge. though. So, apparently McCain is focusing on the brigades and not the numbers.

There is one thing to remember about this - McCain stood on the side of the surge when it was not a popular thing to do politically and it was effective. So, even though the attention was diverted to numbers and not how many brigades he knows what he is doing militarily.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If you are talking about the NOT wearing of body armour, I heard the same information, a couple of days ago, involving other military personal who didn't wear body armour every time they go out. It was a solider being interviewed.

AND

If you are talking about the Humvees not having armour plates that is also true. I personally know someone that works on getting these out to be shipped and they said that not all of them have the armour plates, but they are trying to get them all equipped.

On the pre-surge numbers. I don't have my facts on that.

Found the point made and am adding it here. 3 of the 5 brigades that were involved in the pre-surge are heading back to the US.The remaining two will be back by July. That didn't bring down the number of troops in Iraq from pre-surge. though. So, apparently McCain is focusing on the brigades and not the numbers.

There is one thing to remember about this - McCain stood on the side of the surge when it was not a popular thing to do politically and it was effective. So, even though the attention was diverted to numbers and not how many brigades he knows what he is doing militarily.

PO,

Here was a perfect example of how one could be influenced by the spin doctors that McCain was the man needed for continued success in Iraq. He has made several gaffes in the last few months that Fox News didn't cover in their evening news.

Here are a few videos showing McCain doesn't have a clear grasp on the facts or perhaps his age. Perhaps, he is too old to be our President? That doesn't mean he isn't a great American...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jkfM7z0-Vdg

Please note that during that trip to the Middle East, it was noted that he "misspoke" a total of three times regarding Iran and Al Queda

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMmbtlRBiCM

He claimed that we had drawn down 3 out of the 5 brigades in Iraq (pre-surge levels), which the facts would indicate that wasn't the truth. It gave the impression that he doesn't have a clue of what really is going on with our troop level in Iraq.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zk8H63GMMRU&feature=related

Here he was spinning the truth and stating that Mosul was quit when in fact on that day, 5/29/08, there was a car bomb that killed 16 people. The surge hasn't been the success story that he and others have wanted the American public to know....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6kzCR07PQ

More spin....

I'll be able to provide more proof that McCain doesn't have a grip on the reality of the situation on the ground in Iraq.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

PO,

Here was a perfect example of how one could be influenced by the spin doctors that McCain was the man needed for continued success in Iraq. He has made several gaffes in the last few months that Fox News didn't cover in their evening news.

Here are a few videos showing McCain doesn't have a clear grasp on the facts or perhaps his age. Perhaps, he is too old to be our President? That doesn't mean he isn't a great American...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jkfM7z0-Vdg

Please note that during that trip to the Middle East, it was noted that he "misspoke" a total of three times regarding Iran and Al Queda

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMmbtlRBiCM

He claimed that we had drawn down 3 out of the 5 brigades in Iraq (pre-surge levels), which the facts would indicate that wasn't the truth. It gave the impression that he doesn't have a clue of what really is going on with our troop level in Iraq.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zk8H63GMMRU&feature=related

Here he was spinning the truth and stating that Mosul was quit when in fact on that day, 5/29/08, there was a car bomb that killed 16 people. The surge hasn't been the success story that he and others have wanted the American public to know....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6kzCR07PQ

More spin....

I'll be able to provide more proof that McCain doesn't have a grip on the reality of the situation on the ground in Iraq.

Thanks for the clips. From my research I see that McCain is not lying and the media is making it seem that he is. My above post references all of the points made in the ridiculous video clips. That is a good example of "spinning" to me.

I don't check my sources on YouTube, but if the clips check out with facts from other sources, I will post a clip from that site.

His mistake on Al-Qaeda in Iran was just a minor mistake. Anyone could accidentally say Al-Qaeda. Why? Because Al-Qaeda is who we went after at the start of the war.

Thanks and nice try. I'm not buying it.

McCain is saying they are drawing down as sources say that all five brigades that went into the surge will be home in July. The 4th is on it's way and the 5th will be home in July. That is a drawing down and not a lie. The media totally spun that for all it's worth. He isn't going to say he misspoke because he didn't. The brigades are coming home and that is a drawing down.

I have a relative that works at Ft Erwin in California who is responsible for getting the Humvees ready for transport. He said that they have not all had metal plates and were using sand bags for protection.

Also, I watched a solider being interviewed a couple of days ago who said they don't always wear their armour when out in the streets. So, I will believe all of these things I have checked and heard reported by sources I view as reliable.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rico

The reality is that, with or without the United States, there is going to be a United Nations. As tough as the USA is, we still do not have the ability to take on the whole world at once. If there is going to be a UN, then we need to be involved and in control of as much of it as we can.

Here's an example of how conservatism has been hijacked by the neocon globalists. Conservatives have consistently voiced how the United States shouldn't be part of a global socialist organization. But NOW conservatives have been conditioned to think like the globalists. Notice also the "take on the world" notions of subconscious fascism. Conservatives don't want to take on the world and don't think the US should. Conservatives simply believe that the US is best being...the US, not the global empire.

[Aquila]

http://therealmccain.com/

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thanks for the clips. From my research I see that McCain is not lying and the media is making it seem that he is. My above post references all of the points made in the ridiculous video clips. That is a good example of "spinning" to me.

I don't check my sources on YouTube, but if the clips check out with facts from other sources, I will post a clip from that site.

His mistake on Al-Qaeda in Iran was just a minor mistake. Anyone could accidentally say Al-Qaeda. Why? Because Al-Qaeda is who we went after at the start of the war.

Thanks and nice try. I'm not buying it.

McCain is saying they are drawing down as sources say that all five brigades that went into the surge will be home in July. The 4th is on it's way and the 5th will be home in July. That is a drawing down and not a lie. The media totally spun that for all it's worth. He isn't going to say he misspoke because he didn't. The brigades are coming home and that is a drawing down.

I have a relative that works at Ft Erwin in California who is responsible for getting the Humvees ready for transport. He said that they have not all had metal plates and were using sand bags for protection.

Also, I watched a solider being interviewed a couple of days ago who said they don't always wear their armour when out in the streets. So, I will believe all of these things I have checked and heard reported by sources I view as reliable.

Well, sister, I have always appreciated your spunk when you have discussed your arbitrary opinions of McCain. I simply wanted to share with you that there were many, many sources of information where you could draw from in order to have all the facts when forming an opinion on McCain.

BTW, you are one of my top 5 favorite posters here on AFF. Please don't change the "straight talk" approach that you've adopted here on AFF.

Go, Ron Paul 2008!

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Aquila

http://therealmccain.com/

That is a great website! I have visited it many times these last few months.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Well, sister, I have always appreciated your spunk when you have discussed your arbitrary opinions of McCain. I simply wanted to share with you that there were many, many sources of information where you could draw from in order to have all the facts when forming an opinion on McCain.

BTW, you are one of my top 5 favorite posters here on AFF. Please don't change the "straight talk" approach that you've adopted here on AFF.

Go, Ron Paul 2008!

Thank you for the compliments. I must be spunky and say that I think your word choice of "arbitrary" opinions was rude and uncalled for in this discussion.

If I pointed out anything I did not agree with in your posts I did not articulate that toward your character but subject matter.

I see no point in dialoguing with you on politics. I also don't go to Micheal Moore type links for my information or points to be made.