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Old 06-04-2008, 01:26 PM
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Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination

I'll repeat what I said somewhere before. Israel wanted change and they got Saul. Germany wanted change and they got Hitler. I'm sure this will be a change but will it be for the better? I personally don't think so. I've lived through all the presidents since FDR and have voted both sides of the ticket. I was voting before some of you were dry behind the ears and some of you before you even had ears.
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Old 06-04-2008, 01:27 PM
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dont agree ron, mccain got beat by bush in 2000 for the nomination cause they are different, not the same, sounds like a dem parrot talking, lol
They are different-true.

Just not by much, that's all.
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Old 06-04-2008, 01:27 PM
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I believe there will be pressure to bear on him to not do that from powers that be.

However, a majority of Americans want the troops home, are all Americans stupid?
I don't think so, they just don't want another Vietnam where the troops are there for 13 plus years with a great cost in lives while still losing the war.
Ahh, elect Mr Changey-Change-Change, because he wont be allowed to do what he wants.... but will be Mr Changey-Change-Change. That makes about as much sense as a football bat.
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Ahh, elect Mr Changey-Change-Change, because he wont be allowed to do what he wants.... but will be Mr Changey-Change-Change. That makes about as much sense as a football bat.
Remember this is from someone who doesnt live the the USA.... I guess to some it doesnt matter if we have a friend of the local terrorist for president as long as it doesnt directly affect them!
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how do you know the majority of americans want the troops home ron, you are a canadian, i know hardly anyone the wants that, good night, dt
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Ahh, elect Mr Changey-Change-Change, because he wont be allowed to do what he wants.... but will be Mr Changey-Change-Change. That makes about as much sense as a football bat.
I wonder if Obama can work "Mr. Changey-Change-Change" into his campaign. It's kind of catchy.
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Ahh, elect Mr Changey-Change-Change, because he wont be allowed to do what he wants.... but will be Mr Changey-Change-Change. That makes about as much sense as a football bat.
Ferd that is true, what one says to be elected & what they will do afterwards are two very different things, but aren't they all?

I believe Barak will be elected, but he will be a President that will be saddled with a lot of baggage.

Look for a one term shot.
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We supposedly already "won" the war in Iraq years ago. That position, and yours my friend, are made by people who don't understand the nature of the situation in Iraq or civil war in general. The United States cannot win the Iraqi Civil War (even though we started it). That is something we should have learned in Vietnam.
bump...just in case anyone had an opinion.
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how do you know the majority of americans want the troops home ron, you are a canadian, i know hardly anyone the wants that, good night, dt
How do I know?
Well true, I haven't talked to every American, but I have seen "Polls" & we as Canadians have troops in Afghanistan & a majority of Canadians want our troops home.

They were going to come home 2009, but that was extended to 2011.
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A vote for McCain is pretty much a vote for an indirect third term of George Bush.
Ron, being a Canadian, I will give you a pass. Its likely you dont grasp the reality of American politics and what you get up there is filtered thru a Canadian centric news system.

the simple fact is, NO PERSON in the Republican party has been more ANTI-Bush than McCain.

McCain has been with the president when he felt the president was right and HARD AGAINST the president when he felt GWB was wrong.

there have been times when I felt McCain was too much against GWB other times I have agreed with McCain.

McCain has been MORE AGAINST stupid spending than Bush and McCain called for the fireing of Rumsfeld and a change in direction in the war in Iraq. on these I have agreed with McCain.

McCain opposed a number of the Bush tax cuts. On these I was against McCain.

McCain has NEVER been a guy that ANYONE could count as a "Supportive back bencher"

To suggest that McCain is effectively a 3rd Bush term, is either based in ignorance or it is willful misdirection.
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