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08-26-2008, 12:13 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Repentance will do that! It's a DRASTIC change of mind and direction. But it's not the new birth. Baptism on the other hand (washes away sins) and the infilling of the Holy Spirit (baptism) both put us IN CHRIST or in the body of Christ.
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At the risk of it going in "that" direction again, how can someone receive the HG baptism before being water baptized if baptism actually takes away sin?
You don't really have to answer.....it was more rhetorical than anything. Not intending to get into all of it again! 
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08-26-2008, 03:15 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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At the risk of it going in "that" direction again, how can someone receive the HG baptism before being water baptized if baptism actually takes away sin?
You don't really have to answer.....it was more rhetorical than anything. Not intending to get into all of it again! |
I was baptized after receiving the holyghost and I felt a spiritual cleansing after being baptized in water. Baptism in Jesus name washed away my sins.
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08-26-2008, 03:28 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
I was baptized after receiving the holyghost and I felt a spiritual cleansing after being baptized in water. Baptism in Jesus name washed away my sins.
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Uh....technically, Jesus' blood washed away your sins...it was NOT the water.
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08-26-2008, 07:50 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Uh....technically, Jesus' blood washed away your sins...it was NOT the water.
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1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
The water and the blood agree in one.
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08-26-2008, 08:00 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Sam, this is so true. I think if we have more teaching like this we would not have people being baptized multiple times trying to capture a feeling or gain victory over sin. The water has its place but I think many apostolics have elevated it FAR ABOVE the actual place soterialogically.
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soterialogically?
Keep it simple - write or speak to your audience level.
Jesus spoke in terms that simple fisher men and farmers could understand.
Some might get the idea that you are trying to impress others with your big words.
Just some thoughts.
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08-26-2008, 08:08 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Originally Posted by theoldpaths
soterialogically?
Keep it simple - write or speak to your audience level.
Jesus spoke in terms that simple fisher men and farmers could understand.
Some might get the idea that you are trying to impress others with your big words.
Just some thoughts.
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I didn't get that impression
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-26-2008, 09:21 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I didn't get that impression
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Perhaps I'm the only one who doesn't know what soterialogically means?
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08-26-2008, 11:14 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Originally Posted by theoldpaths
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
The water and the blood agree in one.
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The water, spirit, and blood agree in one what?
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08-26-2008, 11:37 PM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Originally Posted by 1399
I simply disagree with you.
I am saved by Grace, through faith in Jesus Christ.
As a result of that God-given faith, a person must be baptized in order to be obedient to the scriptures. Their baptism should be performed calling on the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost-- Jesus Christ.
That same person should seek out the In-filling of the Holy Ghost, with the experience of speaking in tongues under the divine inspiration of God.
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I agree
I think that we have for to long been afraid of this truth. I know that works don't save us. I know that faith without works is dead. I know that we need to born of water and of spirit. Those things do not save us though.
When we believe on Jesus and his ability to save us that is our faith. His grace then saves us. We follow through with the other things because we see His example, follow it, and show an outward sign of our faith by doing so.
Just a thought but is the infilling of the Holy Ghost what makes a peculiar people? By being filled with the Holy Ghost we have seperated ourselves from the world. Doesn't mean we do not live in the world just says that we are different from the world. By having the Holy Ghost we live differently than the world. We do not act like the world. We are marked as His.
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08-27-2008, 01:08 AM
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Re: Change After Water Baptism?
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Originally Posted by theoldpaths
Perhaps I'm the only one who doesn't know what soterialogically means?
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study of salvation basically
Theology, study of God
Eschatology, study of prophecy
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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