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Old 09-06-2008, 04:24 PM
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Re: This is for all the Trinity haters out there

I cite the Shema twice a day so that makes me.............. .................
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:25 PM
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I dont believe you! How could you have neglected to leave out the BEST part?

The centuries of bloody persecution that Oneness believers have tormented the trinitarians with? Dontchouknownuttin'?

Amen! Those poor trinitarians Give me a break.
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:31 PM
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There is a UPC church in Trinity Tx. also.
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:43 AM
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Nothing is wrong with the term, only the actual doctrine of "Jesus only" which prevails among a lot of churches in Appalachia(including snakehandlers), which claims that when Jesus died, God died and the Universe was without God for three days. They usually claim Jesus had to be a really big guy because He was God. There was a member of our Church who actually heard a minister say that at Jesus' Baptism, the voice from Heaven came from Jesus who simply "threw His voice" like a ventriloquist. This type of junk theology usually prevails among the "Apostolic Full Preterist"(like TK Burk who posts here regularly) crowd as well, which is why they believe that since the Body of Christ is the Church, Jesus' physical body that ascended into Heaven must have somehow dissapeared.
If we believe that Jesus is God then isn't that essentially what he did?


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Old 09-08-2008, 08:55 AM
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I beg to differ with you most emphatically! I have been hearing this stuff for years, it mainly comes from a Jimmy Swaggart Pamphlet with the usual heavily inaccurate scholarship.

While there may indeed be people out there operating undere all kinds of labels and terminologies, JESUS ONLY IS and HAS BEEN the Motto of the ORIGINAL ONENESS ORGANIZATION The Pentecostal Assemblies of the World for decades and decades! They have NEVER even approximated any of the description that you have put forward here.

***I*** am "Jesus Only" and I most certainly do NOT ascribe to the description offerred above. Neither does the original group that most all Oneness Organizations INCLUDING the UPC are splits out of.

I am proud to be JESUS ONLY there simply is no other person in the Godhead.
I think its time we "Jesus Only" people be allowed to define what **WE** mean by that term just like **WE** define what we mean by "Holy Roller" or any of the other labels that were put on us intending to defame us that we have taken and redefined to the dismay of our detractors.

Calling ones self Jesus Only and following the "Jesus Only" movement are two different things though. If you are a Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal and you use the term Jesus Only you are different from the movement of "Jesus Only."
I am Jesus Only in the sense that I am a one God believer. How ever I believe that God is Triune in nature and thus is a Trinity. Us oneness people have been soooooo conditioned against anything to do with the baptismal formula of F,S,and HG that we almost hate the word. Fact is that many of our (UPCI) founding fathers and mothers believed in the Triune God. ***Do we need to repost the old PCI manual page talking about the Triune or Trinity of God?

Look we can say that we believe Jesus is God and the HG at the same time, but no one can deny there is a distinction in scripture between the F, S, and the HG. They are ALL the same person or being but there is different functions of each office. God is the creator(though God is Jesus) Jesus/Son is the saviour and the HG is the power to walk in the will of God and follow after Him. All from the same person, source, office what have you. But the solid fact is that God has many, many, many different modes or manifestations. Being Triune does not mean he can not be singular nor does it mean that he can not be Quaduine either. He is so far beyond what we as humans can comprehend that we just see Deut. 6:4 about being one God only which is totally true, but God is ALL in ALL..the wheel in the middle of the wheel. He is the first and the last--and everything in between. Again the fact is that God is Triune, Multi-une, or what have you cause He can and does take on many forms in order to reach humanity.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:41 PM
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Agreed, but some oneness people are taught to hate the Trinity to such extremes that naming a kid Trinity or something like that in their mind is horrible.
Not wrong...But I would not do it.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:56 PM
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Not wrong...But I would not do it.
Would 'U' name your child (a boy) U376977 II? LOL


I am not certain if I would either, but I do like the name....though a part of me might do it to be mean to my oneness friends. lol
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What would you do if there was person that joined you church named Trinity? I actually know a few people with that name. Would you ever consider naming a child Trinity or do you hate the Trinity soooo much that you couldn't do it? I am curious to hear what you all think.

For the record my wife and I talked about naming our
daughter Trinity but chose not too cause some of our friends in the church gave us garbage over it.
How long have you been in an apostolic church?
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How long have you been in an apostolic church?
23 yrs, y?
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If we believe that Jesus is God then isn't that essentially what he did?


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