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Old 05-04-2009, 10:27 AM
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Re: Hell and suicide?

We were told to love our enemy's. I think the Lord has better things in mind than to torment 99.5% of creation for eternity.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:36 AM
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Judgment is the setting of things right, God will redeem all of his creation. You need not worry of this young man, his heavenly Father loves him more perfectly than all your or my sympathy.

Are we so stupid to think that we could be more loving and kind and merciful than our heavenly Father? Most traditionalists believe that God's justice requires that this man and millions like him be tortured for eterinty. This is proof that the reformers mantained the worst of the apostate doctrines of the dark ages and the RCC.

Your response comes from the heart of God, but have no fear "...the judge of all will do right..."
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:40 AM
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RW so I guess you are into Universalism as well?

Absolutely amazing!
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:59 AM
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RW so I guess you are into Universalism as well?

Absolutely amazing!
Huh?
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:59 AM
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RW so I guess you are into Universalism as well?

Absolutely amazing!
Absolutely Amazing Grace and Amazing LOVE!!!

Lose your lens of the god of torture, torment and lack of ability to save his creation, and you will see that it pervasive thru out scripture.

He came to seek and to save the lost, not to torment and torture because of Satan's ability to deceive his own creation.

Oh, the all powerful "freewill" of men the greatest power in all the universe, second only to the power of Satan to destroy. Surely you can do better than that!

God is awesome to save, Jesus said it is finished, man says I must help God save His creation. The elect or saved in this life, all the rest will be saved, each in his own time.

God is Awesome, and every one of His creation is precious in His sight. What great and wonderful "Good News".
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:44 AM
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Absolutely Amazing Grace and Amazing LOVE!!!

Lose your lens of the god of torture, torment and lack of ability to save his creation, and you will see that it pervasive thru out scripture.

He came to seek and to save the lost, not to torment and torture because of Satan's ability to deceive his own creation.

Oh, the all powerful "freewill" of men the greatest power in all the universe, second only to the power of Satan to destroy. Surely you can do better than that!

God is awesome to save, Jesus said it is finished, man says I must help God save His creation. The elect or saved in this life, all the rest will be saved, each in his own time.

God is Awesome, and every one of His creation is precious in His sight. What great and wonderful "Good News".
So you don't believe there is a hell?
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:04 PM
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Re: Hell and suicide?

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Judgment is the setting of things right, God will redeem all of his creation. You need not worry of this young man, his heavenly Father loves him more perfectly than all your or my sympathy.

Are we so stupid to think that we could be more loving and kind and merciful than our heavenly Father? Most traditionalists believe that God's justice requires that this man and millions like him be tortured for eterinty. This is proof that the reformers mantained the worst of the apostate doctrines of the dark ages and the RCC.

Your response comes from the heart of God, but have no fear "...the judge of all will do right..."
Are we more just or holy, or righteous?

I have a message called, "A Balanced God!"
Gods righteousness, holiness, & holiness balances out his mercy, grace, & love!
He by his very nature can not tolerate sin & must judge it.
He by his great grace & mercy has made a way of escape!
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:11 PM
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Re: Hell and suicide?

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Absolutely Amazing Grace and Amazing LOVE!!!

Lose your lens of the god of torture, torment and lack of ability to save his creation, and you will see that it pervasive thru out scripture.

He came to seek and to save the lost, not to torment and torture because of Satan's ability to deceive his own creation.

Oh, the all powerful "freewill" of men the greatest power in all the universe, second only to the power of Satan to destroy. Surely you can do better than that!

God is awesome to save, Jesus said it is finished, man says I must help God save His creation. The elect or saved in this life, all the rest will be saved, each in his own time.

God is Awesome, and every one of His creation is precious in His sight. What great and wonderful "Good News".
Sorry Crak, but you can waste your theological points somewhere else. I debated with much in the past and you won't change my mind and it has nothing to do with losing lenses! I can tell you one thing it isn't because I did not objectively and openly think about it as possible. In the end it just simply lacks support. do I wish it was true. Sure I don't want anyone to go to hell or whatever. In the end I cannot justify it on the Word. Anything less than that to me is emotional pleading and I won't teach such to those I should come in contact with.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:06 PM
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I agree with crakjak, all will be saved in due course.
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Old 05-04-2009, 05:02 PM
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As sad as this story reads, if he lived in America, he had a chance for salvation.

God is just, whether this sould ends up in Heaven or hell. I just have a hard time believing that this guy NEVER had a chance.

Though his circumstances were beyond unfortunate, I am prone to believe that he had a chance, probably more than one-- but spurned the opportunities, choosing to carry his own burdens.


As for the sister and anyone else, as long as they are still living, there is still a chance for salvation.
Jermyn, I understand why you make these statements, but they are no more true than claiming that there's no reason to NOT win the lottery since there's always a chance. However, if one doesn't buy a ticket, let alone even know there IS a lottery, how do they have a chance to win?

Believe it or not, people die every day having no idea that there is a true plan of salvation out there they might have had. Being in America makes it no different than being in Iraq.

If the Bible was so cut and dried, there would be no reason for a Judgment Day, IMO.
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