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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Well, it looks like someone got tangled up in the liberal and left wing press' sementical lies.
Pro choice NOT being pro abortion? You are so mistaken and deluded.
Giving an individual ONE choice is not a choice at all. You go ahead and tell someone who is prochoice that a decision has been made NOT to choose an abortion and you will have a riot on your hand. ProChoice means a greater propensity to sanction abortion as non-murder because a woman's choice is HER choice giving no voice to the innocent.
I challenge you to go to an abortion clinic and ask them how many young vulnerable and stupid girls they talk OUT of an abortion or how they represent a choice other than ending their pregancy.
You remind me of that guy in the 80s...The Unknown comic, he lived his public life with a paper bag over his head.
Prochoice is synonymous with PROAbortion, don't kid yourself.
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
Rico,
I am in favor of helping the widows, ophans, and the needy. I do this on my own and through my church. I am relying upon my own judgment, and upon the judgment of the spirit-filled leaders of my church, in determining who qualifies as the virtuous poor.
Compare that to the institutionalized bureaucracy for which you have implicitly expressed your support: It is run by people whose chief motivation is to make sure that their numbers warrant more cash next year. They don't care if those they support are making an effort or looking for a sucker. There is no measure or requirement of virtue anywhere in the system, from the top to the bottom. Corruption is rampant, and the constancy of such programs has bred a culture of dependency that has re-enslaved, psychologically, generations of people.
If I tried to not support this system, men with guns would come and chat with me about it. Support is compulsory, coercive if necessary, not from the heart of a cheerful giver.
There is no comparison, for me, between OT and NT systems of aiding the unfortunate and state-run social welfare systems.
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Excellent posts. Such smart boys. 
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