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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Apostolic Identity, IMO, means Apostolic "isolation," "disconnection," "irrelevancy," "arrogance" etc.
The "By this......" is Jesus Gold Standard for His disciples. Until this happens, the UPCI will be stuck in a closet boasting about numbers gained instead of lost. The org is NOT growing even amidst all their shouting and back patting etc. Honestly, I would love to see God do a great work, but not for the sake of a doctrine or an identity. But for the sake of the lost and His glory.
If people get Jesus, everything will be OK. If all they get is a doctrine and an identity, all they did was get converted not saved! Think about that!!!! 
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Could be - but it need not be that way. I know it has not had that effect in my own family - while I don't agree with some points, I would be hard pressed to say any negative aspects outweighed the positives. Many Christians, reject portions of modern culture and lifestyle, yet have huge impact in their circle of influence.
I do think conservatives (UPC included) need to adjust their perception of other Christians - those who don't tow their own expression in Christian ID. Yeah..., that really is smoke drifting from those other chimneys - not just steam.
About groweth, the UPC often fails to get the numbers right at the back door, hence the numbers are tweaked. Nevertheless, they are growing or maintaining not shrinking as are the majority of Evangelicals and Protestant denominations.
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